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I now have a problem, were
Herbert Harte 21
and
Opertka Eaves 21

twins
there is no record of their birth Opertka is only on 1891 census

If they are twins why have they got different surnames?
viv

for ref

1891 England Census
about Opertka Eaves
Name: Opertka Eaves
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Sister
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
Where born: Halifax, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Halifax
Ecclesiastical parish: St Augustine
Town: Halifax
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Halifax
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Herbert Harte 21
Mary A Eaves 67
Opertka Eaves 21

They cant be twins as they are born in different counties!
1891 England Census
about Herbert Harte
Name: Herbert Harte
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Head
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: Aldershot, Sussex, England

Don't see how they could be twins. On the 91 census Herbert was born Aldershot, Sussex and Opetka born Halifax, Yorkshire.

Hi Richard.
from the details in the 1891 census I would think that they were probably step siblings.
1891 reads
Herbert Harte. 21.
Mary A Eaves. Mother. Widow. 67
??Opertika? Eaves. 21.

They were living in Marylebone.London., I can find an entry on 1881 census for a family that maybe connects but you need the birth certificate for Herbert to sort it out.

Living Marylebone.

Thomas Ormanby??? 42
Mary A " 41or47??
Annie Harte. 19
Blanche F Harte. 16.
Mary G? Harte 15
Harry E Harte. 13.
Herbert Harte. 11
Florence A Harte 9
Percy C? Harte. 7.

I dont think the name Opertika is correct. The writing on the census sheet is very poor.

Birth of a Herbert Harte. 1869 July/Sept. Qtr. reg in Marylebone. vol 1a 564. Hope this helps. Ethel.

Here is "opertka"in 1881

1881 England Census
about Albertha Cecila Eaves
Name: Albertha Cecila Eaves
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Halifax, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Halifax
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address: 19 Crossley Terr
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Worsted Spinner

Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Halifax
ED, institution, or vessel: 32
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Ann Eaves 58
Albert Alister Eaves 15
Albertha Cecila Eaves 11
Harriet Hall 21
George Hall 21

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Births Mar 1870 (>99%)
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EAVES Albertha Cecilia Halifax 9a 521

Could she be Albertha?
1881 census
19 Crossby Terr., Halifax, Yorkshire
Mary Ann Eaves, head, widow, 58, born Norfolk, Welney
Albert Alister Eaves, son, 15, barber, born Lincs, Boston
***Albertha Cecilia Eaves, dau, 11, worsted spinner, born Yorks, Halifax
Harriet Hall, dau, married, 21, born Lincs, Holbeathen
George Hall, son-in-law, 21, painter, born Worcs, Stowerbridge

Deffo not twins,,he seems to have married her.

1901 England Census
about Herbert Harte
Name: Herbert Harte
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Albertha
Gender: Male
Where born: Aldershot

Civil parish: Halifax
Ecclesiastical parish: Pellon Christchurch
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Halifax
ED, institution, or vessel: 51
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 21
Household Members: Name Age
Herbert Harte 30
Albertha Harte 31
John Albert Harte 8
Francis George Haste 3
Lewis Haste 1
Walter Birch 20

Richard

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their marriage

Marriages Dec 1891 (>99%)
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Eaves Albertha Cecilia Halifax 9a 751
Harte Herbert Halifax 9a 751

1871 census
7 Allerton Place, Halifax, Yorkshire
Wm Drewry, head, married, 46, damask table cover weaver, born Lincs, Boston
Mary Ann Eaves, widow, housekeeper, 47, born Cambridge, Wisbeach
Sarah Eaves, dau, 26, damask weaver, born "
Elizabeth, dau, 19, damask weaver, born Lincs, Holbeach
Eliza, dau, 16, yarn twister, born "
William, son, 13, oiler in factory, born "
Harriet, dau, 11, worsted spinner, born "
Albert A., son, 5, born Lincs, Boston
John J., son, 3, born Yorks, Halifax
Albertha C., dau, 1, born "

Albertha in 1871,says son .but its deffo her.

1871 England Census
about Albertha C Eaves
Name: Albertha C Eaves
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Wm
Where born: Halifax, Yorkshire, England
Civil parish: Halifax
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Registration district: Halifax
Sub-registration district: Halifax
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Household schedule number: 88
Household Members: Name Age
Wm Drewry 46
Mary Ann Eaves 47
Sarah Eaves 26
Elizabeth Eaves 19
Eliza Eaves 16
William Eaves 13
Harriet Eaves 11
Albert A Eaves 5
John J Eaves 3
Albertha C Eaves 1

There is no record of Herberts birth, parents got married june 1870,
on one 1871 Cenus herbert harte 4 mths old on other he is called harbert harper

1901 census
17 Spring Hill Yard, Halifax, Yorkshire
Herbert Harte, head, 30, general labourer
Albertha, wife, 31
John Albert, son, 8
Francis George, son, 3
Lewis, son, 1
Walter Birch, boarder, 20, general labourer
All born Halifax except Herbert born Aldershot.

first one 4 months last one 11 months old

next problem
parants married in june 1870
on one 1871 cenus Herbert harte 4mths old and on another Harbert Harper 11 months old , both have born in Aldershot.
Family history says mother was with child before she married and the child was not her husbands to be !

So what are the names of the parents that married in 1870?

Sophia Harper, 1851 Cossey, and Charles (william Sheard) Harte 1836 Sutton under forest,

who may have been at one point william Sheard (changed his name)