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Looking for the birth of Ethel Violet Lingwood sometime after 1885. She got married in1904 and I have cross referenced the details so I know that is her correct name. Her parents married in December 1885 (in Staines, Middlesex) and I have found all her other sisters. I know she exists but just cannot find her birth details. I even looked prior to her parents' marriage in1885 (well,you never know!) but couldn't find her.

Her birth would probably have been registered in either Staines (Registration District Windsor at that time) or Edmonton. Two of her sisters were registered in Windsor but the others in Edmonton.

I have looked on BMD but cannot find her.

Any help would be appreciated. Thank you. Pam

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Births Sep 1885 (>99%)
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Lingwood Ethel Islington 1b 413

Where would you like us to look it up, if it's not at FreeBMD? ;)

Maybe if you told us her parents' names ... the instructions do say to give *all* the info you have ... married in 1904, she might well have been born before th emarriage under the mother's surname, for example.

Marriages Dec 1885
Crisp George Staines 3a 26
> Lingwood Charles Henry Staines 3a 26
? Nixon Susan Staines 3a 26
? SUMLER Emma Staines 3a 26

Looks like your hunch was right.

Born the previous quarter to parents marriage


Births Sep 1885
Nixon Ethel Violet - Staines 3a 13

1901

Name: Ethel Lingwood
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles W Lingwood
Mother's Name: Susan J Lingwood
Gender: Female
Where born: Hornsey, London, England

Civil parish: Islington

Charles W Lingwood 44
Susan J Lingwood 43
Ethel Lingwood 15
Flora Lingwood 13
Charles P Lingwood 10
John A Lingwood 7


How did you rule out the one jax posted (before I got a chance ;) )?

It seems to fit in all respects.

She may well have adopted a middle name as an adult! In the early 1900s, a lot of women did adjust their names to what they thought was something more modern.

Ah well! right family, wrong birth then, Mike -- but I was still right, wasn't I? Heh heh.

Name: Ethel Violet Nixon
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: 6 Jul 1885
Baptism Date: 20 Sep 1885
Mother's Name: Susan Nixon
Parish or Poor Law Union: Staines St Mary

Susan shown as a single woman

middle name here

1891

Name: Ethel V Lingwood
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles Hy Lingwood
Mother's Name: Susan Lingwood
Gender: Female
Where born: Staines, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Hy Lingwood 29
Susan Lingwood 26
Ethel V Lingwood 5
Susan I Lingwood 3
Lilly I Lingwood 2
Alice M Lingwood 11/12
Arthur Butterfield 20
Emily S Butterfield 17
Louisa Dean 62

'Course you were Janey !

guess they had her baptised again

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906 about Ethel Lingwood
Name: Ethel Lingwood
Record Type: Baptism
Estimated Birth Date: 19 july 1886 ???
Baptism Date: 5 Jun 1887
Father's Name: Charles William Lingwood
Mother's Name: Susan Jane Lingwood
Parish or Poor Law Union: Islington St Mary
Borough: Islington

Thanks everyone especially Mike who has hit the nail on the head! Her mother was Susan Nixon from Staines who married Charles Henry Lingwood in December 1885. I presume that as her surname is Nixon, the father's name wasn't stated on the birth certificate. Thanks again.

You're welcome

Sorry Lindsey but you have the wrong family. Susan Nixon married Charles Henry Lingwood not Charles William. Thanks anyway

BTW there is a tree on ancestry with her photo plus more details.

Jax

Do you have an address for the family in1891? You have also just confirmed some research I was doing working backwards from 1911 census. 10 children are recorded as being born: 6 living, 4 died. I have been painstakingly cross referencing Lingwood births and deaths to try to find those children who died. Lily I. (for Isabella) was one possibility. You have now confirmed that for me as she is on your list in 1891. Thank you. Pam

1891 census - household transcription
Person: LINGWOOD, Ethel V
Address: 3, Nursery Cottages, Woolmer Road, Edmonton



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LINGWOOD, Charles Hy Head Married M 29 1862 Leather Cloth Worker
Bayswater VIEW
LINGWOOD, Susan Wife Married F 26 1865
Staines
Middlesex VIEW
LINGWOOD, Ethel V Daughter F 5 1886
Staines
Middlesex VIEW
LINGWOOD, Susan I Daughter F 3 1888
Edmonton
Middlesex VIEW
LINGWOOD, Lilly I Daughter F 2 1889
Edmonton
Middlesex VIEW
LINGWOOD, Alice M Daughter F 0 (11M) 1891
Edmonton
Middlesex VIEW
BUTTERFIELD, Arthur Visitor Married M 20 1871 Labourer At Floorcloth Works
Staines
Middlesex VIEW
BUTTERFIELD, Emily S Visitor Married F 17 1874
Staines
Middlesex VIEW

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Decided to take the census from FMP at least it saved me trying to work out what the address said

Thank you so much Jax. This all ties up. Pam

It's called teamwork, Pamela .................... you didn't give us the necessary information about the parents' marriage, so I went and found it ...................... Mike matched a birth to that information before I had a chance to come at it from the other end and search for an Ethel Violet birth that matched up with one of the possible brides ..................

Had you just given us the mother's name to start with .......... ! or searched for the birth under that surname. You'll know for next time now.