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Can someone please help me with a birth GRO reference for a Sarah Lycett.

Father William.

Born 1868-1870. See explanation below.

According to the 1901 census she was born in Tunstall, Staffordshire, aged 31 so born around 1870. This places her with her husband Benjamin Smith.

However, Her marriage certificate to Benjamin Smith in 1886 shows her as 18 so making her born about 1868?

Help please, only the birth certificate will resolve this.

Have you tried
http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/
to look for it

1881 census is also free to search
found 3 possibiles in Staffordshire
you may be able to link one through fathers occupation on marriage cert?

1891 census
Name: Sarah Smith
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Benjamin
Gender: Female
Where born: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wednesfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Heath
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Smith 26
Sarah Smith 22
John Smith 4
William Smith 2

If there is more than 1 possible birth index ask for a check against fathers name when you order if it doesn't have that name you will get a refund of part of the £7
but this is tunstall district
Births Jun 1869

Lycett Sarah Wolstanton 6b 101

If you search on Staffordshire bmds there is one born Tunstall in 1869

Staffordshire Birth indexes for the years: 1869
Surname Forename(s) Sub-District Registers At Reference
LYCETT Sarah Tunstall Stoke-On-Trent TUN/053/018


http://www.bmsgh.org

Christine

for ref



Marriages Dec 1886 (>99%)
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LYCETT Sarah Wolverhampton 6b 917
Smith Benjamin Wolverhampton 6b 917



The district Wolverhampton spans the boundaries of the counties of Shropshire, Staffordshire and West Midlands;




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Births Jun 1869 (>99%)
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Lycett Sarah Wolstanton 6b 101



The district Wolstanton is in the county of Staffordshire



WOLSTANTON REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Staffordshire.
Created : 1.7.1837 (sometimes "Wolstanton & Burslem" in early listings).
Abolished : 1.7.1922 (succeeded by Stoke & Wolstanton district).
Sub-districts : Burslem; Tunstall; Wolstanton.
GRO volumes : XVII (1837-51); 6b (1852-1922).

Township or Civil Parish
County
From
To
Notes

Burslem
STS
1837
1922
after 1922 see Stoke on Trent

Chell
STS
1894
1922
before 1894 see Wolstanton / after 1922 see Stoke on Trent

Chesterton
STS
1894
1922
before 1894 see Wolstanton

Goldenhill
STS
1894
1922
before 1894 see Goldenhill / after 1922 see Stoke on Trent

Kidsgrove
STS
1894
1922
before 1894 see Wolstanton

Milton
STS
1894
1922
before 1894 see Burslem / after 1922 see Stoke on Trent; Norton in the Moors

Newchapel
STS
1894
1922
before 1894 see Wolstanton

Silverdale
STS
1894
1922
before 1894 see Wolstanton

Tunstall
STS
1894
1922
before 1894 see Wolstanton / after 1922 see Stoke on Trent

Wolstanton
STS
1837
1922



Registers now divided between Stoke on Trent, Newcastle under Lyme and Stafford districts.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------this looks like the birth you want Tunstall before 1894 was reg/in Wolstanton

Thank you, I have been totally confused about this one.as I made a connection with a GR member who has Sarah born about 1868 with father william in staffs but with another husband and with her born in Rugeley Staffs?

The information on Sarah and William's family 1891 census does tie in with the 1901 census that I have, I didnt realise that Wolstan is connected to tunstall. So am I right in thinking that Wolstan/Tunstallis all part of Wolverhampton? Looked at map and I thought Tunstall was in Stoke on Trent? Perhaps theres another one in Wolverhampton that I havent found yet or boarders have changed over the years.

Sassel
If you check out people on free bmd you can check the area by clicking on it ,It gives the bounderies once in the page you can check the other areas connected to that reg.district to see if the area you want is there,
she was born before 1894 ,so yes you are right in thinking that

The http://www.bmsgh.org site looks like a very good site for searching didnt know it existed.

On boundaries, I just searched for Benjamin Smith born 1865/6 according to his marriage cert, and the 1901 census say born in Salop, newport. I have done a general search and it seems this is also part of staffs, the bmsg site search come up with 1866 Norton, Stafford Moorlands. Do you know if this would tie in with boundry/name changes.

Thank you David will check it out now.

There are 4 hits for Sarah Lyc* Staffs 1864-1871

Births Jun 1868 (>99%)
LYCETT Sarah Lichfield 6b 439
Births Jun 1869 (>99%)
Lycett Sarah Wolstanton 6b 101
Births Sep 1869 (>99%)
LYCETT Sarah Ellen Stafford 6b 8
Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
Lycett Sarah Ann Stone 6b 32
>Deaths Dec 1870 (>99%)
>Lycett Sarah Ann 0 Stone 6b 23

I think we can discount Sarah Ann, the 4th one.

Lets deal with the first one:

1871 England Census
about Sarah Lycett
Name: Sarah Lycett
Civil Parish: Rugeley
Ecclesiastical parish: Rugeley
Town: Etchinghill and Slitting Mill
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: Etchinghill
Registration district: Lichfield
Sub registration district: Rugeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Household schedule number: 27

William Lycett 47 Etchinghill, Staffordshire, England Head M Laborer
Eliza Lycett 45 Etchinghill, Staffordshire, England Wife M
Lewis Lycett 20 Etchinghill, Staffordshire, England Servant [Sun] U Miner
Thomas Lycett 13 Etchinghill, Staffordshire, England Servant [Sun] Scholar
Eliza Lycett 9 Etchinghill, Staffordshire, England Daur Scholar
Martha Lycett 7 Etchinghill, Staffordshire, England Daur Scholar
Sarah Lycett 3 Etchinghill, Staffordshire, England Daur

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2918; Folio: 100; Page: 6; GSU roll: 836407.


Skipping 1881:
Sarah Lycett 13 Rugeley, Staffordshire, England Daughter Scholar
Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 2779; Folio: 29; Page: 51; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341665.


Marriages Jun 1890 (>99%)
Barlow Louisa Lichfield 6b 718
Caddy Alfred Lichfield 6b 718
>>COPE John Lichfield 6b 718
>>Lycett Sarah Lichfield 6b 718


1891 England Census
Civil Parish: Rugeley
Ecclesiastical parish: Rugeley St Augustine
Town: Rugeley
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: 35 Lion St
Registration district: Lichfield
Sub registration district: Rugeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10

Mary Cope 59 Armitage, Staffordshire, England Head
John Cope 25 Rugeley, Staffordshire, England Son
Sarah Cope 22 Rugeley, Staffordshire, England Daughter-in-law
John W Cope 6/12 Rugeley, Staffordshire, England Grandson
Emma Hitchins 10 Rugeley, Staffordshire, England Granddaughter
Mary Hitchins 8 Rugeley, Staffordshire, England Granddaughter

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2215; Folio 119; Page 27; GSU roll: 6097325.

1871 England Census
Civil Parish: Marston
Ecclesiastical parish: Marston
Town: Marston
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Street address: Port Fields
Registration district: Stafford
Sub registration district: Stafford
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Household schedule number: 23

William Lycett 65 Chebsey, Staffordshire, England Head W Farmer(of 16 acres employing one man
Thomas Lycett 26 Chebsey, Staffordshire, England Son U F Son None ** Idiot
Robert Lycett 22 Chebsey, Staffordshire, England Son M F Assistant at Home
Mary Lycett 22 Cheswardine, Staffordshire, England Wife M House Keeper for Father in Law
Sarah E Lycett 1 Marston, Staffordshire, England Granddaughter
Blanche J Lycett 4mo Marston, Staffordshire, England Granddaughter
Sarah Lycett 61 Chebsey, Staffordshire, England Sister U Annuitant ** Idiot
Mary Aldis 15 Castle Church, Staffordshire, England Servant U General Servant

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2814; Folio: 61; Page: 5; GSU roll: 836367.
[Marston is in Stafford RegD]

Although this clearly isn't your Sarah, which is her b.cert?

The parents do have some connection to Woolstanton RegD (but Burslem, not Tunstall)

Staffordshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1869q1 Wolstanton 6b 107
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
LYCETT Robert WALTON Mary Burslem, St John Stoke-On-Trent 3/05/174

However, Blanche was rego'ed in Stafford, so I'm guessing their Sarah was too.

Births Dec 1870 (>99%)
Lycett Blanche Jessie Stafford 6b 15

This leaves
Births Jun 1869 (>99%)
Lycett Sarah Wolstanton 6b 101
for your Sarah (the one I haven't found in 1871 yet).

mgnv

I have a marriage cert for Sarah Lycett and Benjamin Smith in 1886, the 1901 census with Benjamin states born in Tunstall, the lady below has advised that Tunstall is part of the Wolstanton district, I have ordered a birth certificate for this Sarah in Wolstanton.

TY for helping to research

I have spent days and days search for Sarah in the 1871 census with father William pulling out my hair and screaming? Would be fantastic if you find her.

Yeah, I couldn't find her in 1871/81 - did find Sarah Ellen with sis Blanche and another sis at some boarding school in Hereford. Think I'll wait for the b.cert.

So you have gone with the one i posted this morning. What was fathers occupation on the marriage cert?

You don't give the date of the marriage but - age at marriage and age at 1901 could both be right. Assuming she gave the correct age each time.

If you take her age of 31 at the 1901 census (31.3.1901) and think about the possibility that her birthday could have been the day before (30 March) or the day after (1 Apr) you get a possible birth range of 1 April 1869 to 30 March 1871.

You don't give the date of the marriage so for the longest spread I'm assuming it was 30th Dec 1886 and she was 18. Again, birthday could have been day before or day after so possible birth range of 31 Dec 1867 to 29 Dec 1869.

Looking at both date ranges together - and again assuming ages given are correct on both of the above dates - then possible birth range would be 1 April 1869 to 29 December 1869.

If the wedding took place earlier that quarter then you'd need to adjust the end date of the range I've given. At the moment though I'd be looking for a birth in 1869.

Jill

Actual wedding date is 18 October 1886, her father William Lycett is shown to be a collier.

Sarah and husband Benjamin Smith were living at Coventry Street at time of marriage.

As soon as I receive the Tunstall birth certificate, I will be in touch.

Thank you all for assisting.

Thank you for helping me a few days ago. I have now received the birth certificate for Sarah Lycett.

Details as follows:

Born 26.3.1869 America Street, Tunstall, Wolstanton, Staffs, Sarah - father William Lycett, Mother Maria Lycett formerly Speak, father's occupation Coal miner living at America Street.

As these connect to Sarah and husband Benjamin census details and their wedding cert I believe this is the correct certificate for her.

With the above information can you help please with 1871/81 census details; looking for other family members and ultimately the GRO of William and Maria's wedding cert details.

Nearest i can find


Marriages Jun 1860

Hamer Samuel Wolverhampton 6b 664
Lycett William Wolverhampton 6b 664 ***********
NICHOLLS Harriett Wolverhampton 6b 664
Speake Ann Maria Wolverhampton 6B 664 **********
Death index ??
Deaths Sep 1869
Lycett Ann Maria 30 Wolstanton 6b 66

so doesn't look like she will be on 1871 census but married 1860 should be on 1861 census!