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Trying to find out where my great grandfather went. Last known to have been at Grimes Hall in Kirkby Lonsdale working I think as a Butler. Did he remarry in England and have a second family?

Have you checked here for a marriage?


http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl

I presume you mean Kirkby, Lancs?


1901 England Census
about Donald McIntosh
Name: Donald McIntosh
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Annie E McIntosh
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Edge Hill St Catherine
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England


Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 160
Household Members: Name Age
Donald McIntosh 33
Annie E McIntosh 40
Donald C McIntosh 5
William A McIntosh 3

when was he a butler at Grimes Hall in Kirkby Lonsdale please?

For reference :
Kirby Lonsdale is Yorkshire Dales.

Its also known as a part of Cumbria


It would help William if you came back to us and confirmed

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This has him born in Inverness. Are you sure you have the right person? Please tell us what you know for definite as it is such a common name.

1911

MACKINTOSH, Donald Head Married M 43 1868 Foreman Carriage Dept Inverness Invernesshire VIEW
MACKINTOSH, Annie Eliza Wife Married
18 years F 50 1861 Birmingham Warwick VIEW
MACKINTOSH, Donald Clements Son Single M 15 1896 Clerk Rly Co Birkenhead Cheshire VIEW
MACKINTOSH, William Alexander Son M 13 1898 School Birkenhead Cheshire VIEW
MACKINTOSH, Thomas George Son M 9 1902 School Liverpool Lancs VIEW
RG number:
RG14 Piece:
18602 Reference:
RG14PN18602 RG78PN1112 RD391 SD1 ED17 SN82

Registration District:
Rugby Sub District:
Rugby Enumeration District:
17 Parish:
Rugby

Address:
179 Cambridge St Rugby County:
Warwickshire

4 children had been born but 1 had died.

Kirkby Lonsdale was in Westmorland, just 500m from the Lancs border.
I don't think anyone (except Mike) would think it were part of the Yorkshire Dales. It was in Kendal RD, later Westmorland South RD, but who knows what period we're on about.

Was just going off Google definition.

Kirkby Lonsdale - historic market town between Lake District and Yorkshire Dales

Mike - to me "between" implies it's in neither.

Donald McIntosh was born 26/11/1867 at 17 North Street, Forres, Elgin, Scotland. Father Donald McIntosh and mother Janet Smith. In 1897 he married Catherine Carnegie in Glasgow - shotgun marriage. His son my grandfather William Douglas McIntosh was born 10th August 1897. On 7th march 1903 Catherine obtained a divorce. Donald's occupation was Butler. The next record I found was in 1906 when he signed the death certificate of his sister Jane in Forres. On the certificate in 1906 his residence was shown as Grimes Hall, Kirkby Lonsdale which I believe is in Cumbria. I suspect he stayed in England as there is no record of his death in Scotland. He may have remarried in England and had another family. I would be grateful for any information. Bill McIntosh

Whilst there are 4 ways to spell McIntosh, Mackintosh, MacIntosh and McKintosh, this line of the family has always been McIntosh. Donald could write and on certificates Donald signs his name McIntosh. His Uncles and aunts 10 of them had different variations. His Grandfather was Hugh McIntosh and grandmother Janet McDonald. Depending on who could read and write and what the registrar wrote the spelling of the surname varied. The data above comes from official documents which I have copies of. This data is correct. He disappears from Scottish records and as there is no trace of him dying in Scotland I can only assume he died in England or elsewhere.

he's not at Grimeshall/ Grimeshill in 1911

1911 census Address: Grimhill Middleton Ky Lonsdale
County: Westmorland

Name Relation Condition/ Yrs married Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Where Born

MOORE, Margaret Elizabeth Head Widow F 68 1843 Private Means Lancs Fatham
PARKER, William Servant Single M 41 1870 Butler Domestic Durham Westhartlepoo
CHADWICK, Annie Servant Single F 48 1863 Cook Donmestic Lancs Barrow in Furness
GREENBANK, Agnes Servant Single F 24 1887 Housemaid Domestic Yorks Ingleton
RICHARDSON, Marguerite Servant Single F 17 1894 Housemaid Domestic Cumberland Millom
GRADWELL, Ada Servant Single F 16 1895 Kitchenmaid Domestic Lancs Newton Heath

not there in 1901 census either

Address: Grimes Hill, Middleton
County: Westmorland

Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation Disability Where Born

MOORE, William Middleton Head Married M 66 1835 Living On Own Means Middleton
MOORE, Margaret Elizth Wife Married F 58 1843 Tatham Lancashire
MOORE, Mary Visitor Widow F 64 1837 Living On Own Means Tatham Lancashire
FOSTER, William Barnes Servant Single M 30 1871 Butler (Domestic) Bromfield Cumberland
CHADWICK, Annie Servant Widow F 40 1861 Cook (Domestic) Barrow in Furness Lancashire
INGMAN, Sarah Jane Servant Single F 25 1876 Housemaid (Domestic) Ulverston Lancashire
BARNS, Margt Eleanor Servant Single F 18 1883 Housemaid (Domestic) Duckinfield Cheshire
ROBINSON, Ellen Servant Single F 20 1881 Kitchenmaid (Domestic) Runcorn Cheshire
WILSON, Edward Conder Servant Single M 18 1883 Poultry Boy (Domestic) Middleton Westmorland

This looks like him in 1891:

1891 Scotland Census
Registration Number: 602
Registration district: Largs
Civil parish: Largs
Town: Largs
County: Ayrshire
Address: Brisbane House
ED: 3
Household schedule number: 22
Page: 4
Roll: CSSCT1891_210

Charles T Brisbane 46 England Head Living on Private Means
Florence T H Brisbane 44 England Wife
Isola L F Latham 18 England Niece
Angie Ingles 50 Fordyce, Bafnfshire Servant Useful Maid (Dom Serv)
Jessie Middlemas 27 Kingussie, Inverness Servant Cook (Dom Serv)
Donald McIntosh 26 Forres, Morrayshire Servant Footman (Dom Serv)
Catherine Ferguson 21 Lochgilphead, Argyleshire Servant Housemaid (Dom Serv)
Margaret Nickolson 19 Carradale, Argyleshire Servant Housemaid (Dom Serv)

Was Willian Douglas Mcintosh born in Glasgow.Would Catherine Carnigie have claimed poor relief in Glasgow.Mitchell Library ,Glasgow has records .If you can't search yourself cost is £15 roughly.They do a very thourgh questioning in Glasgow poor relief.

Ellen

1922
18 JulAge: 24 Marriage to Christina Mitchell Burnett
North Glenton, Rickarton, Fetteresso, Kincardineshire, Scotland ( 258-01-24 ) Does this marriage state if his father is living or Deceased ?

Ellen

CATHERINE INNES CARNEGIE
Birth: 01 JUL 1870 Laurencekirk, Kincardine, Scotland
Father: WILLIAM CARNEGIE Family
Mother: ANN MURRAY
1901
Name: Katharine Mcintosh
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relationship: Serv (Servant)
Gender: Female
Where born: Laurencekirk, Kincardine
Registration Number: 685/5
Registration district: Newington
Civil parish: Edinburgh Robertson Memorial
County: Midlothian
Address: 2 Oswald Rd
Occupation: Cook Domestic
ED: 109
Household schedule number: 75
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1901_390
Household Members: Name Age
Helen Romanes 66
Isabella Romanes 54
Jane Selfer 26
Catharine Linn 22
Katharine Mcintosh 30
Mary Irvine 32


This your Catherine in 1901?

1901
Name: William D Macintosh
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relationship: Grandson
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Carnegie
Gender: Male
Registration Number: 263
Registration district: Laurencekirk
Civil parish: Laurencekirk
County: Kincardineshire
Address: 62 High St
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 28
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1901_83
Household Members: Name Age
William Carnegie 61
Annie Carnegie 62
Mary Jane Carnegie 27
William D Macintosh 3
John Irvine Macmillan 31


This yours ?wrong Mother entered .

1901
Name: William D Macintosh
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relationship: Grandson
Mother's Name: Mary Jane Carnegie
Gender: Male
Registration Number: 263
Registration district: Laurencekirk
Civil parish: Laurencekirk
County: Kincardineshire
Address: 62 High St
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 28
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1901_83
Household Members: Name Age
William Carnegie 61
Annie Carnegie 62
Mary Jane Carnegie 27
William D Macintosh 3
John Irvine Macmillan 31


This yours ?wrong Mother entered .