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I've been going through the marriages in 1905 trying to find the missing spouse but I can't find the right one so I'm giving up with that idea now.

I think you are right Dea!!
Looking at the 1891 he is named as Peter


Peter Pazzal
Age: 20
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Catherina
Gender: Male
Where born: Wales
Civil parish: Wallsend
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Wallsend
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 4a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Peter Pazzal 20
Catherina Pazzal 29
Matthew Pazzal 11
Josephine Pazzal 8
Clementine Pazzal 3
Blanche Pazzal 1
Thomas Ireteng 20

There is a death in 1904 for a Peter Pazzal - I wonder if this is an 'english' version of Paulo???

Deaths Mar 1904
PAZZAL Peter 44 S. Shields 10a 536

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There is also a marriage for a Charlotte the following year which 'could' be her but I can't trace the couple on 1911?

DIXON James Embleton Sunderland.10a 1095 2 1905
PAZZAL Charlotte Sunderland.10a 1095 2 1905

What do you think ?

Dea x

Thanks Dea.
I hadn't spotted that because it is the parents I need to find to see if the births of the two Pazzal children belong to them. I know Blanche was here in 1911 because she married in the September quarter but there are no entries from then until Annie married Robert in 1914. and after that nothing. So they either left the country or they changed their name.

These Pazzall's are very elusive on 1911 aren't they?

You say you have found only Paulo so far but if you have him, you will note he is living with married sister Clementina
and her family:

BECK, George Head Married M 28 1883 Ship Plater South Shilds Durham VIEW
BECK, Elementina Wife Married
4 years F 23 1888 Wallsend Northland VIEW
BECK, William Son M 3 1908 Heaton Northland VIEW
BECK, Blanche Daughter F 1 1910 Hebburn Durham VIEW
PAZZAL, Paulo Boarder Single M 29 1882 General Labour North Shield Northland VIEW

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RG number:
RG14 Piece:
30385 Reference:
RG14PN30385 RG78PN1746 RD556 SD2 ED37 SN99

Registration District:
South Shields Sub District:
Jarrow Enumeration District:
37 Parish:
Hebburn

Address:
9 1/2 Rose St Hebburn County:
Durham


Marriages Sep 1906
BECK George Newcastle T. 10b 236
PAZZAL Clementina Newcastle T. 10b 236

I will see if I can find any more!

Dea x

Progress maybe


Annie Isabella Brown
Age: 1
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Isabella
Gender: Female
Where born: Simonburn, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Leemailing
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: Green Cottage
Registration district: Bellingham
Sub-registration district: Kirkwhelpington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Thomas Brown 46
Isabella Brown 46
James Brown 13
Joseph Brown 11
Thomas Brown 9
John Brown 7
Annie Isabella Brown 1

EDIT: No she married James Henderson

Right. Dog walked and exercise taken so back to the Pazzal family.
I haven't found any of them yet Tracey apart from Paolo who I assume to be Polo although he may of course, not be.
If this family were mine I would invest in the certs without question. I have hundreds for my lot and haven't finished yet (do we ever finish?). But it is for a friend of my partners who is the grandson of Robert Noble Junior. I have no doubt in my mind that he is the son of Robert Senior and Annie Pazzal especially as he more or less verified it by naming one of his daughters after her but I would like to find her earlier on in her life as either Annie Clarey or Annie Brown and find out exactly who she was so I can take this line back further on both sides and, of course, to satisfy my curioisty!

Off to the local Welcoming Inn for a while.
They phoned yesterday to see if we were still alive as we have not been seen for so long apparently.

Now that is what I call care in the community.:))

Have fun all ~~~~~~~~

I agree, buying many certs for a project is expensive, esp when you have so many ends to tie up.

I am currently in the process of trying to find my OH GGmother we know after when she died, but not the actual year, so i am now ordering 4 certs a month with her name and rough age trying to find her....i shall however win this game, but it's most def a very long road.

How far have you got with finding all the Pazzal people on the 1911 census?



T x

I think before I invest any more money into this I need to find the rest of the Pazall Family in 1911 as the births may well belong to one or more of them. The don't appear to be there so I'm wondering if they have slipped across the border to Scotland for work maybe. I have to go out for an hour but I will take another look when I get back.


Polo Pazzal
Age: 21
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Paulo
Mother's Name: Charlotte
Gender: Male
Where born: Wallsend, Northumberland, England
Civil parish: Wallsend
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
Town: Wallsend
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Registration district: Tynemouth
Sub-registration district: Wallsend
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 63
Household Members:
Name Age
Paulo Pazzal 40
Charlotte Pazzal 30
Josephine Pazzal 18
Clementina Pazzal 13
Polo Pazzal 21
Blanchette Pazzal 11
Peter Pazzal 7
Rosena Pazzal 6
Carolina Pazzal 2 Mo
Austin Usher 60

If you ordered the marriage cert you will be able to compare it to the one with Annie and see if his father is the same.


T x

That's the question!

the same Polo Pazzal ?



Marriages Jun 1906 (>99%)
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Burkett Emily Ann E S. Shields 10a 1614
Fletcher Christina S. Shields 10a 1614
*****PAZZAL Polo S. Shields 10a 1614
Webster Samuel Bradley S. Shields 10a 1614

Marriages Sep 1902 (>99%)
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*****Clarey Annie Isabella Tynemouth 10b 447
Coulthard Mary Ann Tynemouth 10b 447
Golightly Alexander Tynemouth 10b 447
*****Pazzal Polo Tynemouth 10b 447

If one assumes she left not long after the birth of 'Bart' then this would be right for 10 years apart.

She can claim abandonment and assume her husband was dead, and free to remarry?

Marriages Mar 1914
>>METCALF Robert N Pazzal S. Shields 10a 1303
NICOL Ellen Pittuck S. Shields 10a 1303
>>Pazzal Annie I Metcalf S. Shields 10a 1303
Pittuck John H Nicol S. Shields 10a 1303


T x

Or heard that Paulo had died and could marry as a widow.

Do we have a death for Paulo?

Divorce would have been nigh on impossible back then, so maybe she took up with Robert had children with him while living there (remembering there were only 2 rooms!) and then decided to mary after a period of time, she'd technically have been seperated long enough to be able to remarry under the abandonment rules? (10 years i think)


Tracey x

To prevent his father finding and taking him?
In those days Fathers had TOTAL rights,not mother

Those 2 births are what I personally would invest in...

Good call FBG

T x

John C I am not sure about because he is stated as 6 months old on the 1911 and there are several births for John Metcalf(e)s around the right time.
I found the Ralph Nathaniel birth and did wonder if he could be Bartholomew. But why change his name?
EDIT: As you say to prevent him being found.