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hi im stuck or just useless.... my 5x grandfather was born in scotland in 1791 . on the 1851 census he was living in newcastle upon tyne. im sure he died in newcastle . but to gain further info how do i find what part of scotland ? will this be on his death cert ?
his name is thomas oliver . i only know that my grandad was john ernest oliver and was born in newcastle 1904. he married my nanna who was florance (holliday) oliver . these are the only names i have to go on. any help will be gratefully appreciated. many thanks in advance

He may have died before death registration became compulsory in 1875

Hi,

For ref;


1851 England Census
about Thomas Oliver
Name: Thomas Oliver
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1791
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Newcastle Upon Tyne St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 226
Household Members: Name Age
Charles W Alever 3 (son)
James Best 37 (brother in law)
Elizabeth Oliver 51
Thomas Oliver 60
Dorothy Smeaton 14 (servant)


Thomas is an Artitech.

dee

Just one thing Amanda, as you are new you wont know - but only put one thread on one board at a time as if you have several people chasing info at the same time they can get a bit peeved.

ty u were quick if they were married why would son have different surname ? or could this child be from relatives ?

thank you heather you guessed right lol .... i know thomas oliver was an archietect and was working with grainger and grey a few of their buildings are listed but i dont have anything else on any members of family

Alever is probably the name Oliver mistranscibed in the index.

Give me a while, there might be something about the Scotland reference and the names Oliver and Smeaton.

Just got to pop out.

possible birth for Thomas from OPR Scotlandspeople

the only one 1791

14/01/1791 OLIVER THOMAS ADAM OLIVER/BETTY BELL FR126 M Oxnam /ROXBURGH 802/ 0010 0116

I searched 1788 - 1793, these are the others

23/03/1788 OLIVER THOMAS THOMAS OLIVER/MARGARET LOWE FR103 M Fala and Soutra /MIDLOTHIAN 686/ 0010 0117

12/01/1788 OLIVER THOMAS ROBERT OLIVER/SUSAN CAVERHILL FR1651 U Jedburgh /ROXBURGH 792/ 0050 0232

07/12/1788 OLIVER THOMAS ANDREW OLIVER/ELSPETH BROWN FR273 M Yetholm /ROXBURGH 811/ 0020 0130

17/12/1788 OLIVER THOMAS /AGNES OLIVER FR99 M Ancrum /ROXBURGH 780/ 0010 0176

26/03/1792 OLIVER THOMAS THOMAS OLIVER/JEAN LAIRD FR698 M Tealing /ANGUS 322/ 0030 0094

22/11/1793 OLIVER THOMAS GEORGE OLIVER/ M Ancrum /ROXBURGH 780/ 0010 0158

i do know that i have a date of 1956 in articles about the architect bit if it was the date of his death he didnt have a long marraige . will i find info at the parish church ?

Glen,

looks like you're right about the mistranscribe;

Births Jun 1847 (>99%)
Oliver Charles William Newcastle T 25 364

Hi,
Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1840 (>99%)

BEST Elizabeth Newcastle on Tyne 25 323
OLIVER Thomas Newcastle on Tyne 25 323


You should be able to get marriage cert;

i made a boo booo i meant 1856 lol......... was that common to have children at that age ?? im sorry to ask so many questions but im so intersred and eager to learn

Hi,

1861 England Census
about James Best
Name: James Best
Age: 46
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Catterick, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: St Andrew
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 18
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 93
Household Members: Name Age
James Best 46
Elizabeth Oliver 61


Elizabeth is a Widow and she is something like "proprioter of houses"

Dee

Hi,


1881 England Census
about James Best
Name: James Best
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1814
Relation: Brother
Gender: Male
Where born: Catterick Bridge, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Newcastle On Tyne St Andrew
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address: 3 Picton Place
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Surveyor

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

James Best 67
Elizabeth Oliver 80


Dee

Hi,

I've added this because Robert who is the lodger was born in SCOTLAND!!! Was he a distant relative??


1891 England Census
about James Best
Name: James Best
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1815
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Catterick, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Best 76
Robert McCullock 60


Dee

that is possible dee because there is talk of when my granda john ernest oliver left my gran when he came back from ww2 , he went to stay with a sister in london. proprioter of houses does that mean they owned them ?

Hi,


1851 England Census
about Robert McCulloch
Name: Robert McCulloch
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1832
Relation: Son
Father's Name: David
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Scotland

Civil Parish: Newcastle Upon Tyne St Andrew
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 68
Household Members: Name Age
Ann McCulloch 50
David McCulloch 59
David McCulloch 17
Eliza McCulloch 24
James McCulloch 11
Jane McCulloch 22
Jessie McCulloch 15
Robert McCulloch 19
James Muir 55

McCullock and Muir;

DAVID MCCULLOCH
Male
Event(s):
Marriages:
Spouse: ANNE MUIR
Marriage: 15 APR 1822 Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland

This may be a wild goose chase, but stranger things have happened, they may be linked somehow to the OLIVER family.

Dee

dee do you believe when names pop out at you from a page they mean something because the name muir is jumping at me !!!!!!! . and as stranger things have happened as you say my daughter has justmoved to ripon yorkshire which is right next door to catterick !!!!! will be back soon have to pop out

Hi Amanda,

Thomas Oliver's occupation was a very well thought of position. It would have more than likely given him the opportunity to acquire properties.

It seems that Elizabeth lived to a good age and her brother James must have helped to look after the properties.

What I cannot understand is, where's their son in all of this. Can you help with where your link is, is it Charles??

Dee