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Frating Maskells are not this family, I have been down this path.
The Emma refered to in last posting is a Savill, mine is a Maskell but could be related through a line back in England.
To decide who is related and how need to find Isaac & Emma's parents. I am confident of information I have on Isaac and Emma due to information on death certificates. IF only 1831 census was available - that would certainly help.
I think without personal research in parish records I will not find anything further on Isaac and Emma's parentage unless I fluke someone else doing that for their family tree.
Thanks for all your persistence.

I have a 5th, 6th etc cousin with surname "Saville" and I am sure he has an ancestor named "Emma" (Saville) somewhere ? in the family and as Emma came to Australia and both my cousin and I are Australian and live here there COULD BE ? a link somewhere - just a thought !!
Gilda

In which case, the following are also shown as with father Abraham Maskell and christened in Frating




MARY MASKELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 26 MAR 1809 Frating, Essex, England


REBECCA MASKELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Female Christening: 10 FEB 1805 Frating, Essex, England



ABRAH. MASKELL - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 16 NOV 1806 Frating, Essex, England



sylvia

How does Frating Essex fit in with Farnham??????


This is on the IGI


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ISAAC MASKELL Pedigree
Male

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 06 OCT 1811 Frating, Essex, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ABRAHAM MASKELL Family

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Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.

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C043481 1560 - 1812 0571179 Film 6909021 Film



sylvia

Could this be Abraham in 1841??

1841 Census

Name: Abraham Maskell
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1786
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil Parish: Farnham
Hundred: Clavering
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Bishops Stortford
Sub registration district: Bishops Stortford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Abraham Maskell 55 Ag Lab
Lucy Maskell 50

Address: Farnham Green



sylvia

sorry blame the typist at 2am. last born was 1859.

There were at least three maskell families living in farnham at 41 census probably all related but not sure how could be brothers or cousins. I need to find Isaac's parents - father was Abraham born about 1783 in Farnham, died 1851 in Bishops Stortford (probably poor house), mother Elizabeth unknown maiden name died about 1816 in Farnham, essex.
Still need to find Emma's parents William and Eliza Savill/Savell or similar

There's something wrong here ......... this is what you wrote for the children:-

Children starting with
Charles DOB 3/7/36,
Ellen DOB 14/1/38,
Mary Ann DOB 26/1/39,
Linda DOB 30/1/41,
Abraham 10/4/42
Emma 14/4/44
George 18/4/46
all above born Farnham essex England
>>>>>> Arthur William 3/6/49 born Hazel End, Farnham Essex
>>>>>Jane 27/5/54 born Farnham Essex
>>>>>>Isaac James Henry 6/8/49 St Kilda Victoria.



How can Arthur William have been born 3/6/49, Hazel End, Farnham, AND Isaac James Henry have been born 6/8/49 St Kilda, Victoria, AND Jane born 27/5/54 Farnham ??????????


That's just not possible!!!



sylvia

Do these Maskells have a connection with Isaac??? They are the two Williams from the 1851 Census

1841 Census

Name: William Maskell
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil Parish: Farnham
Hundred: Clavering
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Bishops Stortford
Sub registration district: Bishops Stortford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Maskell 35
Mariann Maskell 20
William Maskell 40
William Maskell 15

Address:- Church End


Looks like 2 separate households in the same house ..... James and Mariann and the two Williams



sylvia

Finally found Isaac

1851 Census

Name: Isaac Mascall
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1811
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Farnham

Civil Parish: Bishops Stortford
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
Town: Bishops Stortford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse Bishop Stortford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
.
.
.
William Marcall 56 <<<<?????? b.ca 1795, Farnham
William Markwell 62
Chas Mascall 16 <<<<<????? b.ca 1835, Farnham
Isaac Mascall 40 Labourer
William Mascall 25 <<<<???? b.ca 1826, Farnham. Widower, Labourer
Charles Nash 28
Reginald Nash 71
John Nealy 63
.
.
.



sylvia

???? 1851 Census

Name: George Mascali <<<< could be Mascali or Mascall on image
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Male
Where born: Farnham

Civil Parish: Bishops Stortford
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
Town: Bishops Stortford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse Bishop Stortford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
.
.
.
Emma Lovett 3
George Mascali 5
Emma Mascall 7 b.ca 1844, Farnham
Lydia Mascall 11 b.ca 1840, Farnham
Mary Mascall 9 b.ca 1842, Farnham
Emily Petts 4
Mary Prior 4
.
.
.


+ ???

Name: Elizabeth Mascall
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Farnham

Civil Parish: Bishops Stortford
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
Town: Bishops Stortford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse Bishop Stortford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1





They were spread all over the place!!!!


sylvia

????? Charles in 1851????


1851 Census

Name: Charles Maskall
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Farnham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: Farnham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 1c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 103
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Maskall 15 Pauper
Elizabeth Williams 3
Emma Williams 2 Mo
James Williams 13
John Williams 11
Mary Ann Williams 10
Susan Williams 39
Thomas Williams 35 Ag Lab
William Williams 8

Address:- Hayel End


sylvia

1851 Census


Only Emma and baby Alfred shown on image????


Name: Emma Mascall
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Inmate
Gender: Female
Where born: Farnham

Civil Parish: Bishops Stortford
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
Town: Bishops Stortford
County/Island: Hertfordshire
Country: England

Registration district: Bishop Stortford
Sub registration district: Sawbridgeworth
ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse Bishop Stortford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 1
Household Members: Name Age
.
.

Newton Lovett 6
Thos Lovett 11
Arthur Mascall 1
Emma Mascall 33 Married
Ann Miller 27
John Neuman 12
Joshua Newman 6
.
.
.


so where are the other members of the family???



sylvia

For reference purposes


1841 Census (from ancestry.co.uk)

Name: Isaac Markell <<<<< MASKELL on image
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1816
Gender: Male
Where born: Essex, England

Civil Parish: Farnham
Hundred: Clavering
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Bishops Stortford
Sub registration district: Bishops Stortford
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
.
.
Charles Markell 5
Ellen Markell 3
Emma Markell 22
Isaac Markell 25
Mariam Markell 1
.
.
.


Emma NOT BORN in Essex, all others born in county.


sylvia

Isaac Maskell born 1 September, 1811 in Farnham, Essex, died 1 July, 1892 in East Melbourne, Victoria, Australia.
Emma Savill born about 1818 believed to be in Essex England, died 10 September, 1863 in Springfield, Victoria, Australia.
Isaac & Emma married 31 December 1835 in Farnham Essex.
Children starting with
Charles DOB 3/7/36,
Ellen DOB 14/1/38,
Mary Ann DOB 26/1/39,
Linda DOB 30/1/41,
Abraham 10/4/42
Emma 14/4/44
George 18/4/46
all above born Farnham essex England
Arthur William 3/6/49 born Hazel End, Farnham Essex
Jane 27/5/54 born Farnham Essex
Isaac James Henry 6/8/49 St Kilda Victoria.
Ellen married Charles Bayford in 1857 and remained in England rest of family emmigrated to Australia departing England 5 June, 1857.
The 1841 England Census has Isaac, Emma and children Charles, Ellen and Mary Ann resident at Hayle End (later called Hazel End), Farnham, Essex, with Isaac's employment listed as agricultural labourer. At the time of the 1851 England Census, Isaac, Emma and Charles, Ellen, Mary Ann, Linda, Emma, George and Arthur were resident in the Bishop's Stortford Poor Union Workhouse in Bishop's Stortford, Hertfordshire.
Emma's (Wife) Death Certificate shows her father's name as William Savill (Savell) occupation Publican and her mother as Eliza (maiden name unknown)
I apologise to all who have tried to assist in my search for William and Eliza and must say that I have led myself up the garden path a dozen times in trying to get back to William and Eliza
1941 Census: HO107; Piece 327; Book: 3; Civil Parish: Farnham; County: Essex; Enumeration District: 6; Folio: 14; Page 20 (at the bottom) is census for Isaac & Emma

Just a note: the marriage certificate has Isaac as Mascall not Maskell, which I believe was common mis-spelling at the time

Kath,

I have just sent a message .......... hopefully she will now return to this thread and give us some more clues!



sylvia

I think I will send her a message!

Yeah, I wonder too.

The title info just makes no sense, given the completely matching info for the Maskell household I found. Everything fits, except that everybody's a generation younger. So I'm hoping for some response ...

The children in that 1881 household I reproduced to begin with were mostly born in Hillingden, Essex, and the youngest was aborn in Hayes, which is where they're living.

There are only a few Maskell births in Farnham in the GRO: 1863, 1872, 1898, 1902, 1906, 1908, 1911, 1913. Don't really seem to fit.

"I have Emma's Marriage Certificate to Isaac Maskell, one census after marriage and their children, first seven born in Farnham, eighth in Hayles (Hazel) End and last one born in Australia. Emma died in Australia in September, 1863."

-- does seem to fit the 1861 household ... except for the dates ...

nothing!


nada!!!






wonder if beedan will return?

Oh Lord


There's Farnham, Suffolk

Farnham, Surrey

Farnham, Essex

Farnham Royal, Buckinghamshire

Tollard Farnham, Dorset





!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO

Farnham is apparently Essex, according to ancestry!