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Julie

Julie Report 11 Nov 2010 17:06

im trying to locate ada m coles married william jt sheppard in sept 1897 . i can find any children or where they are. but i belive they are in oxfordshire somewhere. i have already paid out extra money to find them and have had no luck. i am looking for children to this couple.

GlitterBaby

GlitterBaby Report 11 Nov 2010 17:09

Just for info
Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
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Coles Ada Maud Oxford 3a 1591
Lewis Thomas Henry Oxford 3a 1591
Liddell Margaret Ellen Oxford 3a 1591
Sheppard William John T Oxford 3a 1591

Mike *

Mike * Report 11 Nov 2010 17:10

Just for middle name reference..


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Marriages Sep 1897

********Coles Ada Maud - Oxford 3a 1591
Lewis Thomas Henry Oxford 3a 1591
Liddell Margaret Ellen Oxford 3a 1591
*********Sheppard William John T - Oxford 3a 1591


Hopefully someone with access can find them on 1901 and 1911 census

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 11 Nov 2010 19:09

Births Mar 1881
COLES Ada Maud Oxford 3a 762

Births Sep 1882
Sheppard William John T Warminster 5a 155

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 11 Nov 2010 19:16

Mothers maiden names are listed after 1911, so this might be a possible

Births Sep 1916
Sheppard Norah L Coles Bristol 6a 170

GillianMac

GillianMac Report 11 Nov 2010 20:47

He would have been only just 15 if that is the right birth -was that legal?

GillianMac

GillianMac Report 11 Nov 2010 20:59

This one looks more likely
William J T Sheppard b1869 Dec Q Oxford

In 1881 he is 12 and with parents William and Louisa i Oxford and here he is in 1901 but wife not present

1901 Oxford
Louisa McNab 60 wid b Oxford
William Sheppard 32 son married Waiter at Inn b Oxford
Thomas Sheppard 28 son b Oxford

patchem

patchem Report 11 Nov 2010 21:00

How did you get to this couple, and do you know if they are still alive and in this country in 1911?
Thanks

Kucinta

Kucinta Report 11 Nov 2010 21:02

Until 1929 Marriage Act raised minimum age to 16, boys could marry at 14 and girls at 12.

Julie

Julie Report 12 Nov 2010 10:39

thankyou all for your help. im just has confused with ada and william. missing children??? i wonder if ada died in childbirth. and that is why william is with his mum and brother. manythanks to you all in assisting me with this mystry.

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 12 Nov 2010 11:11

Or maybe?


1871 England Census about William John Thos Shepperd
Name: William John Thos Shepperd
Age: 2
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's name: William Shepperd
Mother's name: Louisa Shepperd
Gender: Male
Where born: Oxford, Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: St Ebbe
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Oxford
Sub-registration district: Oxford
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members:
Name Age
William Shepperd 28
Louisa Shepperd 30
William John Thos Shepperd 2
Alice Florence Louisa Shepperd 7 Months


He's single in 1891, but by 1901 he is married;

1901 England Census about William Sheppard
Name: William Sheppard
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Mother's name: Louisa McNab
Gender: Male
Where born: Oxfordshire, England
Civil Parish: St Michael
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

View image
Registration district: Oxford
Sub-registration district: Oxford
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 17
Household Members:
Name Age
Louisa McNab 60
William Sheppard 32
Thomas Sheppard 28


Dee x

BatMansDaughter

BatMansDaughter Report 12 Nov 2010 11:24

Sorry Gillian, just realised that I put the same family as you.


Dee x

GillianMac

GillianMac Report 12 Nov 2010 13:29

If Ada had died by 1901 William would have put "widower" as status not "married" -it looks more to me like the marriage broke down -but I havent been able to find Ada in 1901

Christine2

Christine2 Report 12 Nov 2010 15:02

It looks as though the father of that family (William) died -

Deaths Dec 1886 - Sheppard William 40 Oxford 3a 443
and Louisa remarried -

Marriages Dec 1892
McNAB Alfred Oxford 3a 1421
Sheppard Louisa Oxford 3a 1421

Julie

Julie Report 12 Nov 2010 17:44

i read all your comments, we still cant find children?? i wonder now if william was a widower and remarried to my ada coles in 1897 i found william jt sheppard died in 1936 not sure if this is him tho. and ada died 1946?? still not sure.many thanks to everyone that has now replyed. keep it coming and soon it will be cracked. tomorrow im off to the records office to look for them.

Selena in South East London

Selena in South East London Report 12 Nov 2010 18:43

Not what you asked for but may be useful. If you search trees (top of page) with these names and years of birth you might find other members connected with this family who may have more info.

1881 census
William COLES Head M Male 56 London Hampstead, London, Middlesex, England Bricklayers Labourer
Maria COLES Wife M Female 54 Oxford, England Laundress
James COLES Son U Male 20 Oxford, England Brewers Labourer
Maria COLES Daur U Female 19 Oxford, England Domestic Servant
Robert COLES Son U Male 17 Oxford, England Shoemakers Errand Boy
Mary A. COLES Daur Female 15 Oxford, England Domestic Serv
Ada COLES Daur Female 3 m Oxford, England
Alice COLES Grandchild Female 7 Oxford, England Scholar
Source Information:
Dwelling 6 Frederick Pls
Census Place Oxford St Peter Le Bailey, Oxford, England

Christine2

Christine2 Report 13 Nov 2010 11:08

This death would seem to imply the birth in 1869 is the right one. His death cert may give a clue to any children?

William J T Sheppard
Death Registration Month/Year: 1936
Age at death (estimated): 67
Registration district: Oxford
Inferred County: Oxfordshire
Volume: 3a
Page: 1819

Christine2

Christine2 Report 13 Nov 2010 11:19

Can you tell us please Julie how you worked your way back to this couple in your tree? It may help us to find any children of the couple.

GillianMac

GillianMac Report 13 Nov 2010 16:06

To add another possibility -there is a marriage in 1911 Dec Q for a William J T Sheppard to either Elizabeth R Scott or Florence E Smith, so maybe there was a divorce or annulment from Ada but where is she in 1901 and where is he in 1911?
We need more info from Julie as to why she is so sure there WERE children

GillianMac

GillianMac Report 13 Nov 2010 16:13

In 1881 already posted Ada's age is given as 3 but the image clearly shows 3 months which is correct -in 1891 she is with her grandmother Maria Coles 63 Laundress b Oxford