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Trying to find info on Edward Skinner b @ 1816 in Lingfield. Eldest son of John (b 1783) and Elizabeth (b 1791) Skinner. Believe he may have had a daughter Mary Ann (b @ 1856 and may have been living in Enfield in 1901.
Also Peter Charles Skinner (b 1824 my gggrandfather) m Elizabeth Grace Brunt 1850. Elizabeth G died in1864 but I can find no information on Peter Charles after the birth of my ggrandfather William Henry in 1853.
Any info would be very much appreciated as I live in New Zealand.
Thanks
David Skinner

David

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sylvia

I think that this might be your Edward in 1861. I think the transcriber had some problems!!

1861 Census

Name: Edward Skinner
Age: 42
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Harriet
Gender: Male
Where born: Lingfield, Paraguay
[Surrey]

Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Newington
Sub-registration district: Trinity Newington

Edward Skinner 42 Green Grocer
Harriet Skinner 49 b.ca 1812, Dorking, Surrey
Mary Ann Skinner 6 b.ca 1855, Newington, Surrey, Scholar
Mary Paya 44 b.ca 1817, Dorking, Surrey, Sister-in-law <<<< name corrected on ancestry to Mary SAYER

Address:- 24 Great Bland Street, Newington



sylvia

The same Edward and Mary Ann(e) in 1871 .... but it looks as though he might have married again


1871 Census

Name: Annie Skinner
[Mary Anne Skinner]
Age: 16
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Newington, Surrey, England
Civil parish: Edmonton
Ecclesiastical parish: Southgate Christchurch
Town: Southgate
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton

Edward Skinner 52 b.ca 1819, Lingfield, Surrey, Coal Dealer Retired
Sarah Skinner 60 b.ca 1811, Dorking, Surrey
Annie Skinner 16

Address:- Chase Side


To clarify the correction made of Mary Ann's name ............ the image shows that Annie was written first, then someone added mary in front of Annie, and crossed out the "ie" ................. thus Annie was an initial error by the enumerator which was quickly corrected, but the transcriber didn't note that change.




???? Edward in 1881, now living alone

1881 Census

Name: Edward Skinner
Age: 62
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Lingfield, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Edmonton
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street Address: Chase Side Plum Tree Cottage
Condition as to marriage: Widow

Occupation: Retired Merchant

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton

Edward Skinner 62




?????? Edward in 1901

1901 Census

Name: Edward Skinner
Age: 82
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Lingfield, Surrey, England

Civil parish: Southgate
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Southgate
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub-registration district: Edmonton

Edward Skinner 82 Retired Blacksmith
Arthur West 32 Boarder

Address:- Plum Tree Cottage, Chase Side




sylvia

I cannot definitively find your Edward in 1891, nor in 1851 .... although there is an Edward Skinner with wife Jane and baby daughter Jane on the 1851, living in Pancras, London ........... this oen is a journeyman grocer, born in Kerington, Surrey



sylvia

Thanks Sylvia, that info does seem as though it could well be the Edward I am looking for, however, I am not sure how I can connect Edward to Peter Charles with any certainty. I really appreciate your efforts.
David

sorry, OH wanted computer for a while.

I'll see if I can find anything about Peter Charles now


sylvia

This looks like your Peter in 1851, with wife Elizabeth

1851 Census

Name: Peter C Skinner
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth G
Gender: Male
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England

Civil parish: Poplar
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar

Peter C Skinner 27 Shipwrigth
Elizabeth G Skinner 25 b.ca 1826, Rotherhithe, Surrey, At Home

Address:- 49 Evan Street



which makes this peter Skinner on the 1841 Census seem a possible match to be yours


1841 Census

Name: Peter Skinner
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Rotherhithe
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe

John Skinner 58 b.ca 1783, Surrey, Shipwright
Elizabeth Skinner 50 b.ca 1791, Surrey
Edward Skinner 25 b.ca 1816, Surrey, Labourer
Peter Skinner 18 Apprentice Shipwright

Address:- Surrey Place, Rotherhithe



sylvia

There is one Public Family Tree on www.ancestry.co.uk that links Peter and Edward .... althouhg he doesn't seem to have checked Edwar out very carefully!

Franks/RooneyView Family Tree
View family tree Owner: chrisrooney46

Edward Skinner
Birth
abt 1816 in Lingfield, Surrey, England
Death

Timeline
1816 abt
Birth
Lingfield, Surrey, England
1854 abt
Age: 38
Marriage to Harriet Paya
Surrey, England

Parents
John Skinner 1783 –
Elizabeth Skinner 1791 –

Show siblings

Peter Charles Skinner 1823 –

Spouse & Children

Sarah Sayers 1811 –

Other Spouse & Children

Harriet Paya 1812 –
Mary Ann Skinner 1855 –





from that same tree:-

Franks/RooneyView Family Tree
View family tree Owner: chrisrooney46

Peter Charles Skinner
Birth
abt 1823 in Surrey, England
Death

Timeline
1823 abt
Birth
Surrey, England
2 source citations
1841 England Census
1851 England Census

1850 3 Jan
Age: 27 Marriage to Elizabeth Grace Brunt
Poplar, Middlesex, England

Parents
John Skinner 1783 –
Elizabeth Skinner 1791 –

Spouse & Children

Elizabeth Grace Brunt 1824 – 1864
William Henry Skinner 1853 – 1879
E S Skinner 1858 –




sylvia

Is this a coincidence, or a child of Peter??

Births Dec 1854 (>99%)

Skinner Peter Charles Poplar 1c 517





sylvia

from www.ancestry.co.uk


.
London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Peter Charles Skinner
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Grace Brunt
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Sep 1850
Parish: All Saints, Poplar
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Skinner
Spouse Father Name: John Brunt


From image:-

Peter, Bachelor, Full age
Address:- Poplar
Occupation: Shipwright

Father: John Skinner, Shipwrigth


Elizabeth, Full Age, Spinster
Address:- Poplar
No occupation

Father:- John Brunt, Shipwright




sylvia

Note this marriage that was on the same site


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Peter Charles Skinner
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Spouse Name: Rosina Yewen
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Aug 1877
Parish: Christ Church, Bermondsey
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Peter Charles Skinner <<<<<<<< Deceased
Spouse Father Name: John Yewen



Peter Charles, Bachelor, Full Age, Salesman



sylvia

That is very interesting. William Henry was my great grandfather. He and his wife Mary (nee Hall) had two children, William Charles( my paternal grandfather) and Ernest James. Apparently Uncle Ernie did tell his daughter Mabel about some "cousins". Unfortunately anyone who could tell me anything is now deceased. Is there any indication as to whether E S Skinner is male or female?

David

Peter Charles the younger baptism record


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Peter Charles Skinner
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 12 Nov 1854
Father's Name: Peter Charles Skinner
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Grace Skinner
Parish: All Saints, Poplar
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

notation on image:- Born September 14 1854

Father:- Shipwright



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: William Henry Skinner
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 12 Nov 1854
Father's Name: Peter Charles Skinner
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Grace Skinner
Parish: All Saints, Poplar
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

Notation on image:- Born February 1 1853
Father:- Shipwright


There is also this one

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: John Peter Skinner
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 31 Aug 1851
Father's Name: Peter Charles Skinner
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Grace Skinner
Parish: Saint Mary, Rotherhithe
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Notation on image:- Born June 23 1851

Address:- 52 Lower Queen Street

Father:- Shipwright



sylvia

Hi David


No, 'cos that is the only place I've seen a reference to her/him

BUT I did look at www.freebmd.org.uk ....... and the only E S Skinners shown were all female!




It's interesting ...... I don't seem able to find any of them on the 1861 Census .... I wonder if the family went overseas??



sylvia

well, here's young Peter Charles in 1861!


1861 Census

Name: Peter Chas Skinner
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Rotherhithe
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe

Elizabeth Skinner 73 b.ca 1788, Deptford, Kent, Widow, Laundress
Peter Chas Skinner 6 Scholar

Address:- 13 Surrey Place



sylvia

I cannot find the others .... may be a mis-transcription, or they may be overseas.


It's getting late here .. msut go to bed!!


I'll see if anyone else has been able to help you tomorrow(Wednesday)


sylvia

To my knowledge none of the family went overseas until my parents went to Kenya when I was 4 in 1949 (that is through William Henry anyway). Maybe they somehow missed the census. Peter Charles senior obviously died between 1854 and 1877. Strangely enough my grandfather William Charles was born in 1877! His mother Mary (nee Hall) did remarry in later life having been widowed very young to (I believe) Lewis Franklin in @1896 but I know nothing of him.
I always thought it strange that William Henry (1853) and Peter Charles (1824) had no siblings that I could find, and now you seem to have done it in minutes!
David

Have you informed Rambling Rose of this thread and the information found in it David?

http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1195070&px=2

You put the exact same question to her less than an hour later so you might want to tell her not to waste her time doing everything Sylvia in Canada has done.

'Don't submit the same – or similar – material more than once.'

Sylvia I just had a quick read of all your work and about that correction in 1871 Annie Skinner to Mary Anne Skinner the person who made that correction can be contacted through the Ancestry system, is it possible that it is someone David would want to contact? I haven't absorbed all the details here, lol.

edit I see it is the same person whose family tree at Ancestry you have quoted Sylvia