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Hi Sylvia, yes I do. I haven't used the "community" before. When I said threads, what I meant was that I had gone into what I thought was two different areas. However I do see the error of my ways, and I can only appologise to you and Rambling Rose if I have offended you and other "boarders", and I will certainly be very careful in future that I do not cause any disruptions.
Regards and Happy New Year
David

Not 'entirely related'??

David, it was word for word the same message. Hopefully you understand now that it is not fair to invite people to do over what others have already done.

Hi Sylvia
Very many thanks for all your hard work. I did put the same questions on another thread which I did not think was entirely related (Christmas rose). Between the two of you you have found info that I have been trying to obtain for a long time, and I really appreciate it.
Regards
David

I did want to add the following information to these postings I made last night.

I forgot to note the witnesses to the two marriages.

London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Peter Charles Skinner
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Grace Brunt
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Sep 1850
Parish: All Saints, Poplar
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Skinner
Spouse Father Name: John Brunt


From image:-

Peter, Bachelor, Full age
Address:- Poplar
Occupation: Shipwright

Father: John Skinner, Shipwrigth


Elizabeth, Full Age, Spinster
Address:- Poplar
No occupation

Father:- John Brunt, Shipwright


EDIT:- Witnesses:- John Brunt and Catherine Jemima Jordan

Bride, groom and witnesses could all sign their names




London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Peter Charles Skinner
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Spouse Name: Rosina Yewen
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Aug 1877
Parish: Christ Church, Bermondsey
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Peter Charles Skinner <<<<<<<< Deceased
Spouse Father Name: John Yewen



Peter Charles, Bachelor, Full Age, Salesman



EDIT:-

Rosina Yewen, Spinster, 19, no occupation

Father John Yewen, Slate Mason

Witnesses:- John Yewen and Florence Barker

Bride, groom and witnesses all signed their names.




sylvia

Hi bruce and Rambling Rose

thank you for that information!

It would be good to see how you found them on the the 1861 Rose! I looked and looked last night!



sylvia

Maybe David will add that info to the thread so it is available for Sylvia and anyone else reading?

Sylvia, just to let you know that I found Peter Charles' brothers on 1861 and have sent the details to David by pm :)

Sylvia I just had a quick read of all your work and about that correction in 1871 Annie Skinner to Mary Anne Skinner the person who made that correction can be contacted through the Ancestry system, is it possible that it is someone David would want to contact? I haven't absorbed all the details here, lol.

edit I see it is the same person whose family tree at Ancestry you have quoted Sylvia

Have you informed Rambling Rose of this thread and the information found in it David?

http://www.genesreunited.com.au/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=1195070&px=2

You put the exact same question to her less than an hour later so you might want to tell her not to waste her time doing everything Sylvia in Canada has done.

'Don't submit the same – or similar – material more than once.'

To my knowledge none of the family went overseas until my parents went to Kenya when I was 4 in 1949 (that is through William Henry anyway). Maybe they somehow missed the census. Peter Charles senior obviously died between 1854 and 1877. Strangely enough my grandfather William Charles was born in 1877! His mother Mary (nee Hall) did remarry in later life having been widowed very young to (I believe) Lewis Franklin in @1896 but I know nothing of him.
I always thought it strange that William Henry (1853) and Peter Charles (1824) had no siblings that I could find, and now you seem to have done it in minutes!
David

I cannot find the others .... may be a mis-transcription, or they may be overseas.


It's getting late here .. msut go to bed!!


I'll see if anyone else has been able to help you tomorrow(Wednesday)


sylvia

well, here's young Peter Charles in 1861!


1861 Census

Name: Peter Chas Skinner
Age: 6
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Poplar, Middlesex, England

Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Rotherhithe
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe

Elizabeth Skinner 73 b.ca 1788, Deptford, Kent, Widow, Laundress
Peter Chas Skinner 6 Scholar

Address:- 13 Surrey Place



sylvia

Hi David


No, 'cos that is the only place I've seen a reference to her/him

BUT I did look at www.freebmd.org.uk ....... and the only E S Skinners shown were all female!




It's interesting ...... I don't seem able to find any of them on the 1861 Census .... I wonder if the family went overseas??



sylvia

Peter Charles the younger baptism record


London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: Peter Charles Skinner
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 12 Nov 1854
Father's Name: Peter Charles Skinner
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Grace Skinner
Parish: All Saints, Poplar
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

notation on image:- Born September 14 1854

Father:- Shipwright



London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: William Henry Skinner
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 12 Nov 1854
Father's Name: Peter Charles Skinner
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Grace Skinner
Parish: All Saints, Poplar
Borough: Tower Hamlets
County: Middlesex

Notation on image:- Born February 1 1853
Father:- Shipwright


There is also this one

London, England, Births and Baptisms, 1813-1906

Name: John Peter Skinner
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 31 Aug 1851
Father's Name: Peter Charles Skinner
Mother's Name: Elizabeth Grace Skinner
Parish: Saint Mary, Rotherhithe
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex

Notation on image:- Born June 23 1851

Address:- 52 Lower Queen Street

Father:- Shipwright



sylvia

That is very interesting. William Henry was my great grandfather. He and his wife Mary (nee Hall) had two children, William Charles( my paternal grandfather) and Ernest James. Apparently Uncle Ernie did tell his daughter Mabel about some "cousins". Unfortunately anyone who could tell me anything is now deceased. Is there any indication as to whether E S Skinner is male or female?

David

Note this marriage that was on the same site


London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Peter Charles Skinner
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Spouse Name: Rosina Yewen
Spouse Age: 19
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 6 Aug 1877
Parish: Christ Church, Bermondsey
County: Middlesex
Borough: Southwark
Father Name: Peter Charles Skinner <<<<<<<< Deceased
Spouse Father Name: John Yewen



Peter Charles, Bachelor, Full Age, Salesman



sylvia

from www.ancestry.co.uk


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London, England, Marriages and Banns, 1754-1921

Name: Peter Charles Skinner
Age: Full Age
Estimated birth year: abt 1850
Spouse Name: Elizabeth Grace Brunt
Record Type: Marriage
Event Date: 22 Sep 1850
Parish: All Saints, Poplar
County: Middlesex
Borough: Tower Hamlets
Father Name: John Skinner
Spouse Father Name: John Brunt


From image:-

Peter, Bachelor, Full age
Address:- Poplar
Occupation: Shipwright

Father: John Skinner, Shipwrigth


Elizabeth, Full Age, Spinster
Address:- Poplar
No occupation

Father:- John Brunt, Shipwright




sylvia

Is this a coincidence, or a child of Peter??

Births Dec 1854 (>99%)

Skinner Peter Charles Poplar 1c 517





sylvia

There is one Public Family Tree on www.ancestry.co.uk that links Peter and Edward .... althouhg he doesn't seem to have checked Edwar out very carefully!

Franks/RooneyView Family Tree
View family tree Owner: chrisrooney46

Edward Skinner
Birth
abt 1816 in Lingfield, Surrey, England
Death

Timeline
1816 abt
Birth
Lingfield, Surrey, England
1854 abt
Age: 38
Marriage to Harriet Paya
Surrey, England

Parents
John Skinner 1783 –
Elizabeth Skinner 1791 –

Show siblings

Peter Charles Skinner 1823 –

Spouse & Children

Sarah Sayers 1811 –

Other Spouse & Children

Harriet Paya 1812 –
Mary Ann Skinner 1855 –





from that same tree:-

Franks/RooneyView Family Tree
View family tree Owner: chrisrooney46

Peter Charles Skinner
Birth
abt 1823 in Surrey, England
Death

Timeline
1823 abt
Birth
Surrey, England
2 source citations
1841 England Census
1851 England Census

1850 3 Jan
Age: 27 Marriage to Elizabeth Grace Brunt
Poplar, Middlesex, England

Parents
John Skinner 1783 –
Elizabeth Skinner 1791 –

Spouse & Children

Elizabeth Grace Brunt 1824 – 1864
William Henry Skinner 1853 – 1879
E S Skinner 1858 –




sylvia

This looks like your Peter in 1851, with wife Elizabeth

1851 Census

Name: Peter C Skinner
Age: 27
Estimated birth year: abt 1824
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Elizabeth G
Gender: Male
Where born: Deptford, Kent, England

Civil parish: Poplar
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Registration district: Poplar
Sub-registration district: Poplar

Peter C Skinner 27 Shipwrigth
Elizabeth G Skinner 25 b.ca 1826, Rotherhithe, Surrey, At Home

Address:- 49 Evan Street



which makes this peter Skinner on the 1841 Census seem a possible match to be yours


1841 Census

Name: Peter Skinner
Age: 18
Estimated birth year: abt 1823
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil parish: Rotherhithe
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Registration district: Rotherhithe
Sub-registration district: Rotherhithe

John Skinner 58 b.ca 1783, Surrey, Shipwright
Elizabeth Skinner 50 b.ca 1791, Surrey
Edward Skinner 25 b.ca 1816, Surrey, Labourer
Peter Skinner 18 Apprentice Shipwright

Address:- Surrey Place, Rotherhithe



sylvia