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I am also trying to find info on my grandfather William Skinner, he married Ethel Cash in London and they had 4 children, Ena, Margaret, Charles and William. I understand Ethel died during the war while William was away in the army. I have been unable to find a record of her death. I know he was in Bradford, West Yorkshire in the 1940's .

Marriages Dec 1924 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cash Ethel F - Skinner - W. Ham 4a 792
Skinner William C - Cash - W.Ham 4a 792

Could this be her death? When was she born?

Name: Ethel Skinner
Death Registration Month/Year: 1941
Age at death (estimated): 32
Registration district: Romford
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 779

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Births Mar 1909 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cash Ethel Florence - Norwich 4b 100

Confused by your other thread about the Cash family.

Are there 2 different Ethel Cash?

The Ethel Cash on your other thread was born 1900

PM received from Julie

There are 2 Ethel cash in my family, i am trying to find info on the one born around 1900, she married William Skinner in 1924, i have loads of info on her, it is William I am trying to research. Thanks for your help.


Also ..

She was Ethel Maud Skinner, nee Cash, born around 1900.

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But the Ethel who married William Skinner in 1924 was Ethel F not Ethel M.

Sorry about the confusion, you are right she was Ethel F. I know William was born around 1900 and died in 1967/8. He remarried after Ethel died, which as far as I know was during WW2, although I can't find her death as yet. i have been told the the kids were taken into care, but I don't know if this is true. Many thanks for all your help.

Could this be her ? ( not during the war though)

Deaths Mar 1930
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Skinner Ethel F - 31 - Croydon 2a 435

Why would the death Katie posted not be your Ethel? -- If she did die during the war, that is, otherwise the death Mike posted looks reasonable.

Is the dob for William, around 1900, taken from their marriage certificate? If you want info about him, you have to start with that marriage certificate, to get his full name and his age and father's name.

Could you give the link to your other thread, please?

edit --

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.page/board/trying_to_find/thread/1251354


The youngest child was born 1938 in East Ham.

(There was also a child Eileen, born 1929, died 1930.)

So the 1930 death would not fit.


This doesn't make sense:

"i am trying to find info on the one born around 1900, she married William Skinner in 1924, i have loads of info on her, it is William I am trying to research."

If you have loads of info on her, what is it?? Her date of birth (not "around"), her name, her parents' / siblings names ...?

The 1909 birth in Norwich is the only Ethel F Cash birth 1890-1912.


This birth really is the only one that makes sense:

Births Sep 1900
Cash Ethel Maud W.Ham 4a 328

Possibly there's an error in the marriage index re her initial (I checked the image and it does say F), or she had just decided to adopt a different middle name.

You certainly need the marriage certificate in order to look for any more info about either person.

Hi Mike, that is definitely not the right death as her children were born in the 1930's, one of them was my mother, born in 1932, she told me her mother died during the war.

Her father was John Mansfield Cash and her mother was Mary Ann, nee Jaggers. They had at least 6 children and he had one from an earlier marriage.

I live abroad at the moment so getting certs is difficult, however I will be in the UK for the New Year so might try and sort something then,
Thanks again to everyone for their help.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1898 (>99%)
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Cash John Mansfield W. Ham 4a 227
ELKERTON Edwin George W. Ham 4a 227
Gatward Agnes West Ham 4a 227
Jaggers Mary Ann W. Ham 4a 227

I wonder if this is them in 1901??

Name: John Cash
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Cash
Gender: Male
Where born: Ldn, Kings Cross

Civil Parish: Leyton
Ecclesiastical parish: Leytonstone Harrow Green Holy Trinity
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: South Leyton
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 259
Household Members: Name Age
John Cash 36 Coach Painter
Mary Cash 26
John Cash 9
Ivy Cash 7
Florry Cash 2
Maud Cash 9 Months

Getting certificates is quite simple no matter where you are -- I'm in Canada and have got dozens. ;)

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

1911??


HOUSEHOLD CASH JOHN M 1864 47 West Ham Essex


Living with some of these?? Sorry I don't have a subscription.

HOUSEHOLD CASH EDITH F 1902 9 West Ham Essex
HOUSEHOLD CASH ETHEL F 1900 11 West Ham Essex
HOUSEHOLD CASH FLORIE F 1898 13 West Ham Essex
HOUSEHOLD CASH FRANK M 1909 2 West Ham Essex
HOUSEHOLD CASH FREDDK M 1908 3 West Ham Essex
HOUSEHOLD CASH HILDA F 1904 7 West Ham Essex
HOUSEHOLD CASH JOHN M 1891 20 West Ham Essex
HOUSEHOLD CASH JOHN M 1864 47 West Ham Essex
HOUSEHOLD CASH MARY F 1873 38 West Ham Essex

If that census is corect then this is Ethel's birth?

Births Sep 1900 (>99%)
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Cash Ethel Maud W.Ham 4a 328

John's first marriage

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
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CASH John Mansfield Poplar 1c 1009
RANDALL Elizabeth Annie Poplar 1c 1009
Reynolds Frederick Charles Poplar 1c 1009
Tuck Mary Jane Poplar 1c 1009

Looks like the last child was born in Finsbury, London in 1939.

Are you sure that Ethel died during the war?

Who brought the children up please?

When did William die please?

Thanks for the info rootgatherer. The last child Ethel and William had was also called William and he was born in 1938 but maybe there was another after. I can only say that as far as I know Ethel died in the war, that is what I was told as a child (William and Ethel were my grandparents) I know 2 of their children are still alive but unfortunately I have no contact with them, I was told that the eldest child Ena was taken into domestic service and the other 3 were put in care. William died in 1967/8 in Bradford, West Yorkshire as that is where he was living and I know he had married again or was living with someone, I have ordered the marriage cert so maybe that will help.

Yes, I did say, many posts ago:

The youngest child was born 1938 in East Ham.
(There was also a child Eileen, born 1929, died 1930.)
So the 1930 death would not fit.

(I discounted the Finsbury birth as making very little difference, time-wise, even if relevant -- there doesn't seem to be another Skinner-Cash marriage to account for it, however.)

And that the 1900 birth in West Ham was the only one that made sense.


This is the only death that resembles your info for William:

Name: William Skinner
Birth Date: 22 Apr 1897
Death Registration Month/Year: 1971
Registration district: Bradford
Inferred County: Yorkshire West Riding
Volume: 2b
Page: 707

The only William (no middle name) Skinner birth registered in Q2 1897:

Births Jun 1897
Skinner William Brentford 3a 157

(Maybe William and Ethel both invented middle names for themselves when they married??)

Since we don't know William's middle name (until the marriage certificate arrives), there is also this Yorkshire death:

Name: William Christopher Skinner
Birth Date: 19 Feb 1904
Death Registration Month/Year: 1970
Registration district: Holderness
Inferred County: Yorkshire East Riding
Volume: 2a
Page: 305

The corresponding birth:

Births Jun 1904
Skinner William Christopher Hull 9d 269

There just isn't a William Skinner death 1967/68 in Yorkshire.