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Hello....
Could someone please help or guide me in the right direction as i have totally hit a brick wall...
I'm looking for Edward Marsden - Unsure what his wife was called but he had a son Alexander Marsden born abt 1893 who married Henrietta Eliza Adeline Taylor & they lived at 47 Vicarage Groove Eccles Salford Lancs.

Edward Marsden was a musician/bandsman & may have been a gardener yet also was in a brass band ...

Edward Marsden will have been born around 1870 ish - Sorry to be so vague but this is all the information i have currently.


Any suggestions would be much appreciated.

Joanne.x

For reference pruposes


Marriage registration

Hannah does not appear on this from freebmd, but I have confirmed it is her on the Complete Index on ancestry


Marriages Jun 1923 (61%)

Marsden Alexander Taylor Barton I. 8c 1249

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possible birth if it IS ca 1893


Births Sep 1893 (>99%)

Marsden Alexander Brighton 2b 230



sylvia

looked on the 1901 census but cannot find a Alexander born 1893 or an Alexander with a father Edward
sorry

one Alexander born Lancashire but fathers William

Alexander J Marsden
William,
Margaret
abt 1897
Wigan, Lancashire, England
Son
Wigan, Lancashire

I just cant understand as i have Edwards son's "Alexander Mardsen" Marriage certificate from when he married Henrietta Eliza Adeline Taylor 18th June 1923 (the day before their 1st child Henry Alexander Marsden was born) stating Edward Marsden as Alexanders father occupation Gardener & Alexander living at 3 Barton Lane Eccles which i presume was Edwards address previously? - Witnesses at Alexanders wedding were John Henry Hill & Gladys Marsden

Did people in the 1920' have to produce their birth certificate when getting married ?

Where should i go from here ?

Joanne.x

No, they didn't have to produce birth certificate ... just as you don't now.


he might ahve told a porkie about his ......... or about his father!!


Not unknown for a father to be named when there wasn't one


or for occupation to be mis-stated


In fact, all certificates can contain porkies as the powers-that-be only know/knew what they are/were told.



sylvia

it could just be me missing something on the 1901 census,

but i know from my own gt gt grandfathers marriage certificate the person he named as his father was really his grandfather, but he was the man that looked after him and he classed as more than a father.
but im not saying that is whats happened in your case.

Ladies- Where do i go from here ?
Jill - I like your theory in last message & it could possibly fit in with the goings on back then... ?
Is it possible Edward Marsden was from Say America or ?...

Any sugestions ?

Joanne.x

I noticed that one of the witness's was a Gladys Marsden...sister? You could try tracing her, though that could be just as difficult.

Maybe get in touch with the local library/Records Office and ask if they could do an electrol roll lookup for the address? Maybe five years previous to the marriage date to see who was living there (and old enough to vote), maybe there will be some other family members.

Do you know who Gladys MARSDEN , the witness was?

Maybe if we could find her linked to an Alexander and / or an Edward it might help.

Gwyn

What was Alexander's occupation on the marriage cert?

Gwyn - Hello, Thanks for helping..
I think Gladys was Alexanders & Henriettas daughter b 1925.

What are you thinking ?

Joanne.x

Hi Mhairi
The occupation on Alexanders Marriage Cert was Gardener yet Death cert occupation was Musician trumpeteer....

Joanne.x

Alexander married in 1923.
We are looking for a witness of at least 14 I would have thought....although some on GR have mentioned younger witnesses.

I think Gladys is likely to be a sister or at least relative of Alexander.

Gwyn

Joanne, I think you've been staring at the screen too long... :D

If the marriage took place in 1923, then their daughter (b1925) couldnt have been a witness.

Its more probable that the witness Gladys was a sister or cousin or aunt ect.

I took a look at the WW1 records on ancestry for Alexander, as he would be around the right age to be involved in the fighting but havent seen anything so far.

Joanne,
just a thought, ive found Henrietta birth its 1900 Barton I.
they got married Barton I.

could it be possible Alexander is younger than you thought
theres a birth Alexander Ross Marsden 1903 Barton I?

Gladys has to be older than the daughter born in 1925 ...... the wedding was in 1923, and a witness has to be old enought to understand what is going on.



I did look on the 1901 for a Gladys masden born ca 1890 to 1910, with brother/relation Alexander or father Edward .......... no luck



I think he might have told porkies either about his age and/or about his father!



Problem is ..... we don't even know where he was born! There is an Alexander Marsden born in Brighton, butthis Alexander gets married in Barton Irwell in Lancashire. Are they the same one???


who knows!



sylvia

Mhairi
I think you may be right - i have been chasing my tail on this one for 3 years!!

Gladys could be a relative of Alexanders - I hadent thought of that.

Joanne.x

Sylvia
If it is the same one born in Brighton would we be able to check if his father was Edward ?

P.s You have made me think of something my grandfather once told me about Alexander : Something like he went to war - I presume WW1 and was too young so kept his surname but changed 1st name...
Joanne.x

Jill
I have heard of Alexander Ross before, could we check to see if his father was indeed Edward Mardsen ?

Joanne.x

Joanne was there a previous thread where the Brighton Alexander turned out to be Alexandra?