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Children's births - can't find Eliza's:
Births Sep 1860 (>99%)
NICHOLAS Mary Jane Newport M 11a 158

Births Sep 1863 (>99%)
NICHOLAS Susannah Newport M 11a 162

Births Dec 1864 (>99%)
Nicholas William Henry Newport M 11a 176

Births Dec 1866 (>99%)
Nicholas Sarah H W Newport, M. 11a 154

Births Mar 1870 (>99%)
Nicholas Margaret Louisa A Newport, M. 11a 189

Hi MARGARETand POTTY
I am amazed at just how much you have found out,and am reassured that I did the right thing in asking for help as I was in a circle of wrong directions !!!!!
I am sorry I could not be around to communicate with you but can see it was not needed,thankfully.
Thankyou so very much you are wonderful.
I am going to study this now although I can already see that you both have got it right.
am so grateful,cathy x

I questioned the middle initial for Eliza S on the 1871 census. Potty couldnt find her birth.

However this is probably her Elizabeth Ann Nicholas 1858 dec qt Newport M gro ref 11a 161

James Nicholas born 1822 died 1892 sept qt Newport M gro ref 11a 102

Hi Margaret
thankyou for your continued interest and help,I will send for the relevant certs now.
I wonder if you have any suggestions as to where I might get James and Marys birth records as I have tried on here and fbmd but they only start at 1837 seemingly !!??
thankyou again,I am grateful for all the help.
cathy x

Catherine

Civil registration started in 1837 - before that you will need to search parish records. Have you tried the IGI on www.familysearch.org?

This site has lots of parish records for Monmouthshire. There are some there for St Woollos - and an offer to do lookups for those not yet added. You have to join a yahoo group?

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~monfamilies/monprts.htm.

Try googling Monmouthshire parish records - there are quite a few links.

Thanks potty, will follow up the leads
cathy

Hi
Help again please, I am going round in circles!!!!
Can someone try to find a birth record for Caroline Nicholas b.1850 monmouth, (according to the 1851 census records-wales). Parents James and Mary Anne Nicholas (nee Wood)
I had been searching for the birth of james and while doing so I have found him on 1841 census (wales) but then on 1851 I also found mary anne(wife) and daughter Caroline(as stated) can`t find him on 1861 but on 1871 census I found him again but there is no mention of Caroline. I have tried looking for a marriage for her,and even a death but cannot find one. The dates don`t match up for what I have found and I really need a better brain than mine.
thanks cathy
Potty i got a lot of information from the sites you gave me,but it`s opened up a whole lot more questions and confusion!! and it would seem my james may well be illigitimate.

Hi Catherine,

This seems to be the 1851 family you found:
Place: Monmouth, Monmouthshire

Caroline Nicholas James, Mary A abt 1850 Monmouthshire, Wales Daughter

James Nicholas Mary A abt 1822 Monmouthshire, Wales Head

Mary A Nicholas James abt 1823 Monmouthshire, Wales Wife

Class: HO107; Piece: 2445; Folio: 381; Page: 57

Was this the 1841 ref?

Name: Jas Nicholas
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1825
Gender: Male
Where born: Monmouthshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Caldicot
Hundred: Caldicott (Upper Division)
County/Island: Monmouthshire
Country: Wales

Registration district: Chepstow
Sub-registration district: Shire Newton

Household Members:
Name Name
Margt Harris 15
Jas Nicholas 16

Poss birth reg for Caroline?

Name: Caroline Nickles
Year of Registration: 1850
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Monmouth (1837-1939)
County: Gloucestershire, Herefordshire, Monmouthshire
Volume: 26
Page: 101

Hi Ivy
Thankyou so much for that I will send for the certificate and it will help to determine parents. I tried so hard to find it myself !!! thankyou again
cathy
ps. Yes the census records you listed are the ones I was referring to,and I`m sorry I was not on line earlier to respond to what you were asking. I will let you know how I get on.

Hi Catherine,

Thanks for feedback, it's always fascinating to know how the research develops. I found the Nickles registration by asking Ancestry for Caro* Nic*l*s between 1848 and 1852 in Monmouthshire in Wales. I can't find her though after 1851 (not census, death or even marriage as yet) - have you spotted her anywhere?

- unless this might be a possible?

Name: Caroline Nicholas
Year of Registration: 1870
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Merthyr Tydfil
County: Breconshire, Glamorgan, Mid Glamorgan
Volume: 11a
Page: 512

and

Name: Caroline Jones
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Monmouth, Wales

Civil Parish: Ystradyfodwg
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 66 Pontypridd Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Pontypridd
Sub-registration district: Ystradyfodwg
ED, institution, or vessel: 18

Household Members:
Name Age
Caroline Jones 31
Elizabeth M. Jones
Joseph Jones 3
Nicholas Jones 6
Thomas Jones 8
William Jones 30
William J. Jones 4

(prob unlikely - eldest child is 8 and I cannot find the couple in 1871)

Hi Ivy
Thankyou for that,no I haven`t spotted her either, but I am interested in finding out if that Caroline who married William Jones could be her.
I have my doubts about Caroline being James and Mary Annes daughter so I have sent for the cert. for the birth reg. you found for me yesterday. There is such a big gap between Caroline and their next child Elizabeth b 1858, and they did not marry until 1859, and not in Mon. but Bristol .
Thankyou again
cathy

Hi Ivy
as promised I am just letting you know I got the cert. for Caroline and NO she is not `ours` the couple on the census with her is a different James and Mary Anne. Well at least thats sorted and eliminated them and I won`t be following a line thats not ours. I am grateful for your help.
So Elizabeth was their first child,and according to their marriage certificate their fathers are both William. Now I was told that there was a possibility that James was the illigitimate child of Elizabeth and that she later married someone called William !! I had just put this on one side a while ago because I had no way of tying it in to James,until now because it seems likely to me that they would name their first child after one of their parents. I still have much work to do on this branch of our family so I will probably need help again and hope you won`t mind me asking if needs be.
my warmest wishes to you all who have tried to help me already
cathy

Hi Cathy,

Yes, happy to help if I can, and I should imagine Potty and Margaret who both made the breakthrough on 1881 and 1871 would too.

I see that the 1871 info they both posted towards the foot of page 1 shows that the first three children were all girls (Eliza Ann, Mary Jane and Susannah), and that the eldest son is William Henry. Is the Susannah name unusual for this time and place, or quite frequent then?