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Kathryn, Yes Dawlish does seem a bit to specific, unless of course Deptford spoken with a west country accent sounds like Dawlish? lol ....though if that was the same couple married in Lewisham, why would you move from devon to lewisham to marry and then back again? I could find no William Plant born c1830 in Kent in 1881 ,does one show up in the other years?
Nicky
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And ... William Plant born 1830 in Dawlish exists in 1891 and 1901 ... but not before that. And no, none born in Kent in later censuses.
Mutual exclusivity often suggests identity. ;)
It was the case for my infamous Hill/Monck brother and sister. Up to about 1873-1875, there are an Ernest Augustus Hill and an Ada Lennox Monck Hill. From 1875, there are an Ernest Augustus Monck and an Ada Lennox Monck. I say they're the same people (which I started saying even before learning Ada Hill's middle names).
Picking a Devon birthplace for censuses when one lived in Devon might just have been common sense! Or he might have been saying a smaller place name in Kent that resembled Dawliesh, and gave up?
In any event, they're certainly the ones who were in Canada, and in Stoke Damerel before that.
I can't find a soupçon of a Plant from Kent that looks like any of these ones in 1851 or 61 to save my life. Plaut is the obvious possible mistranscription; nope. No John no-name with mother Matilda finds anyone who looks like. Etc. Maybe the whole lot of them went to South Africa!
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Well he obviously stayed in devonport heres the death entry:
Deaths Mar 1902 (>99%)
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Plant William 71 Devonport 5b 269
So we must either come to the conclusion that this "the" William who always gives a wrong birthplace, or this is a totally different William Plant, and the one Marion is searching for did maybe go to South Africa, which is why we can`t find him, at least we know this Devon couple were the ones who got married in Lewisham, with Samuel Dyer {wifes maiden name} on the census living with them in 1891, still not convinced this isn`t Marions William, if she agrees she could always send for the marriage cert to see if Fathers name matches . Oh I do hate these ones that you can`t tie up the loose ends ,don`t you?
Nicky
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Hello Girls,
Well what can I say. You have both been so very busy helping me and I thankyou. The marriage found for the area of Lewisham sounds possitive. Nicky you were right yesterday with your findings and I am sorry if I doubted you. Not so much doubted but expected to see them living in Deptford not Dawlish or Canada. All this info I am passing on to another family member who is researching this branch of the Family Tree with me. It does need some attention but looks possitve. As for John I think he must have stayed in Africa not Dawlish.LOL
Ladies A BIG THANKYOU TO YOU BOTHXXXXX
Marion
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Ladies just wanted to keep you posted. My geography on England at times leaves me puzzled as to areas and so on but I found this entry for 1841 Devon. I dont know if its that Dawlish place LOL or if its the same William Plant but I just wanted to share my findings. Bye Ladiesxxxx
1841 England Census
about Willm Plant
Name: Willm Plant
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England
Civil Parish: St Paul
Hundred: Exeter City
County/Island: Devon
Country: England
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Registration district: Exeter
Sub-registration district: St David
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Household Members: Name Age
Mary Beedle 15
Mark Helmore 20
Adela Maynard 10
Edwd Maynard 13
Jno Plant 13
Willm Plant 11
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Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 267; Book: 11; Civil Parish: St Paul; County: Devon; Enumeration District: 3; Folio: 5; Page: 4; Line: 12; GSU roll: 241331.
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Marion, So there is a William plant born in Devon 1830, so it looks like he could be the RN man who went to Canada and back........., at least wev`e exhausted all possibilities on your Deptford william Plant, so south Africa with his brother may be a strong possibility...... when, you get to the bottom of all this{ notice I said when and not if} please post the details and let us know......i get as intrigued by other peoples family history as I do my own....... good luck with it all.
Nicky
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Oh well! I looked for WPs with birthplace Dawlish/Devon ... but of course the 1841 doesn't give a birthplace! So on a general census search (i.e. not year by year), he didn't come up. That'll teach me.
Well done, Marion. You don't need us! But hey, if anyone comes around looking for *that* William Plant, they'll have a pleasant surprise. ;)
I did go to the South African national archives site for a look. A couple of weeks ago, someone dredged up a two-year-old thread about South African research, which was a huge stroke of luck for me. I went to the archives and made an amazing discovery of my own -- a 1907 letter in their possession from the son of my gr-grfather's sister I've been trying to track down for two years. Yesterday, an office there said they would mail me a copy!
Now, his surname was (he thought) McCock, so that was a bit of an easy search. I tried John Plant, and of course there's the same problem with "Plant" as there is with my Hills -- you want a person named Plant, and it wants to give you plants, or in my case hills. So I'm just going to pass the site along and you can give it a bit more of a try.
http://www.national.archives.gov.za/index.htm
The site seems more complicated than it really is.
Click on this heading:
"National Automated Archival Information Retrieval System (NAAIRS)"
Of course you're supposed to read all the info first. But basically, you can click "Search" on that page ... oh crap, I'm getting a "sign on error, try again later" message. Well, give it a try. When it gives you a choice of what to search, just find the one that says something about all records, click there, and start searching.
There's always the phone book.
http://phonebook.yellowpages.co.za/
(It's actually white pages -- residential searches.)
It shows 33 Plants in SA at present. Send 'em letters. ;)
Good luck!
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