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Hi ozibird,
many many thanks for all this information you have sent me...i wonder if this john french born 1844 is the one i'm after? what a life being in the work house at 7 years old! i wonder if David not charles was John's brother and this is where i can tie them up as i'm sure they are connected.....just wonder if Ann French was their mother but i supose it is hard to find our with them being in the work house and not being born on the 1841 census

Back to David.

1851 England Census
Name: David French
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: N

Civil Parish: Neithrop
Ecclesiastical parish: North Banbury
Town: Neithrop
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Cropredy
ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse Neithrop

Also in the workhouse.
Charles French abt 1830 N Pauper Neithrop, Oxfordshire
Sarah French abt 1841 N Pauper Neithrop, Oxfordshire
John French abt 1844 N Pauper Neithrop, Oxfordshire
Rachel French abt 1848 N Pauper Neithrop, Oxfordshire

1851 England Census
Name: Marah Hunt
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Jacob
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Milcombe, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Milcombe
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address: [none]

Occupation: scholar

Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Bloxham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 47
Household Members: Name Age
Jacob Hunt 54 - ag lab; Benson
Ann Hunt 45 - Shulford
James Hunt 16 - ag lab
William Hunt 10 - ag lab
Sarah Hunt 8
Marah Hunt 7

All children born Milcombe

1851 England Census
Name: Rebecca French
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Josiah
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Female
Where born: Milcombe, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Milcombe
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Bloxham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 30
Household Members: Name Age
Josiah French 28 - ag lab
Sarah French 26
William French 4
Rebecca French 1

All born Milcomb except Sarah - Dorchester.

Probably at the same address.

1851 England Census
Name: George French
Age: 66
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1785
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Cooperdy, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Milcombe
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: pauper, ag lab

Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Bloxham
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members: Name Age
George French 66
John French 18 - ag lab
Jane French 15
Elizabeth French 14

All children born Milcomb/e.

I wonder if this is the eldest J French. I can't find him in 1851.

1841 England Census
Name: James French
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1806
Gender: Male
Where born: Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Cropredy
Hundred: Banbury
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address: [none]

Occupation: ag lab

Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Cropredy
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James French 35
Elizabeth French 35
James French 15
Thomas French 13


G French of Cropredy is proving elusive.

There's only a few I can find in 1851. Here goes.

1851 England Census
Name: Harriet French
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1831
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Milcomb, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Wroxton
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: general servant

Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Bloxham
ED, institution, or vessel: 16 and 17
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 184
Household Members: Name Age
Richard Gardner 27 - farmer
Hannah Gardner 25
Caroline Gardner 1
Harriet French 20
Desey Randle 15
James Shelswell 20


1841 England Census
Name: Harriet French
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Gender: Female
Where born: Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Bloxham
Hundred: Bloxham
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address: [none]

Occupation:

Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Bloxham
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George French 50 - ag lab
Elizabeth French 45
George French 25 - ag lab
Richard French 20 - ag lab
Matthias French 15 - ag lab
Harriet French 11
John French 7
Jane French 6
Elizabeth French 4

Now, I'm not sure these Frenches are related as they are in different sections of the workhouse. I've separated them into where they were born. That doesn't mean they are the same families, or that children from the same family weren't born in different villages.

1861 England Census
Name: J French
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Pauper
Gender: Male
Where born: Milcomb, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Neithrop
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address: Banbury Union Workhouse.

Occupation:

Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Banbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age

J French abt 1855; female; Bloxham, Oxfordshire, England Pauper Neithrop, Oxfordshire

J French abt 1810; male; Cropredy, Oxfordshire, England Pauper Neithrop, Oxfordshire
G French abt 1847; male; Cropredy, Oxfordshire, England Pauper Neithrop, Oxfordshire

H French abt 1832; female; unmarried; general servant; Milcomb, Oxfordshire, England Pauper Neithrop, Oxfordshire
R French abt 1849; female; Milcomb, Oxfordshire, England Pauper Neithrop, Oxfordshire
J French abt 1850 Milcomb, Oxfordshire, England Pauper Neithrop, Oxfordshire
D French abt 1857; male; Milcomb, Oxfordshire, England Pauper Neithrop, Oxfordshire

J French abt 1851; male; Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England Pauper Neithrop, Oxfordshire
F French abt 1853; male; Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England Pauper Neithrop, Oxfordshire
E French abt 1858; female; Neithrop, Oxfordshire, England Pauper Neithrop, Oxfordshire

1861 England Census
Name: David French
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: L;bo [lodger]
Gender: Male
Where born: Milcomb, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Milcomb
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address: [none]

Occupation: ag lab

Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Bloxham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 46
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Hunt 57 - head; ag lab's widow
David French 16

1871 England Census
Name: David French
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Meral
Gender: Male
Where born: Wigginton, Oxfordshire, England

Civil Parish: Milcomb
Town: Milcomb
County/Island: Oxfordshire
Country: England

Street address: [none]

Occupation: ag lab


Registration district: Banbury
Sub-registration district: Bloxham
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 28
Household Members: Name Age
David French 26
Meral French 27
Sarah B French 8
William French 6
Mary A French 4
Charles French 2
Walter D French 11 months

All born Milcomb except David.

Angela

You are welcome.

Cannot do an 1851 look up for you on findmypast - I am sure someone on here will have a look for you though.

Nicki

Thanks Nicki for all your time and help....you have given me plenty to go on and it's very much appreciated...to tie this family together as i'm sure they are connected i will probably need to be looking at the 1851 census for David and 1841 for his parents as it could be another generation back....but i will concentrate on this lot for now
thanks again for your help
best wishes
angela

Angela

Beats me. I am sorry.

There will be far cleverer people on here who can solve that for you, I am afraid it is not me.

I do know there are not two births for a Bertha though in 1890 in Tamworth only the following -

Births Mar 1890

French Bertha Tamworth 6b 428


Births Jun 1890

French Bertha Halifax 9a 429

You may have to start ordering certs to unravel all of this.


Nicki

Hi Nicki, thankyou very much...that makes David French born 1845.....at Milcomb which is the same year as John French......i wonder if John and david were cousin's

1891 - Charles, Clara & Bertha

FRENCH, Charles Head Married M 22 Potter Sagger Maker
Milcombe
Oxfordshire
FRENCH, Clara Wife Married F 22
Tamworth
Staffordshire
FRENCH, Bertha Daughter F 1
Tamworth
Staffordshire

RG number:
RG12 Piece:
2208 Folio:
105 Page:
15

Registration District:
Tamworth Sub District:
Tamworth EnumerationDistrict:
7 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Editha

Civil Parish:
Tamworth Municipal Borough:
Tamworth Address:
70, Gungate Street, Tamworth County:
Staffordshire

David & Merab's wedding

Marriages Dec 1864

FRENCH David Banbury 3a 1263
Hunt Merab Banbury 3a 1263

Charles French 1881

FRENCH, David Head Married M 36 Bricklayers Laborer
Milscomb
Oxfordshire
FRENCH, Merab Wife Married F 37
Milscomb
Oxfordshire
FRENCH, Charles Son Single M 12 Scholar
Milscomb
Oxfordshire
FRENCH, Walter Son Single M 10 Scholar
Milscomb
Oxfordshire
FRENCH, Richard Son Single M 7 Scholar
Tamworth
Staffordshire
FRENCH, Minnie Daughter Single F 5 Scholar
Tamworth
Staffordshire
FRENCH, Rose Daughter Single F 1
Tamworth
Staffordshire


RG number:
RG11 Piece:
2768 Folio:
125 Page:
17

Registration District:
Tamworth Sub District:
Tamworth EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
Tamworth Municipal Borough:
Address:
73 Gungate St, Tamworth County:
Staffordshire

Hi Nicki,
there is just one more request....
I've come across a Charles French born 1869 Milcomb Oxford ( the same place as John) and i originally thought he maybe a possible nephew..but as we have been going through all this it looks like John French lived with his mother Ann and another family and had no siblings for Charles to be a Nephew...why i ask is that Charles French is born the same place as John and he too has a Daughter called Bertha born 1890 in Tamworth...so rather a coincedience.....so to get to the point please would you have alook at the 1881 census for Charles i know you can't check the 1901 census...and i would love to know what connection to John he is...here's the info i have on him...
Charles French born 1869 Milcomb married to Clara Marsan
Children
Bertha 1890
Edith 1893
Minnie 1895
Frances 1896
William 1898 1917
Emma 1900
Albert 1901
Harry 1904
Charles 1907
Walter 1911 1988

Thankyou again for all this Nicki

angela

Is there anything else you need?

Nicki

Thanks Nicki, yes that must be him!....i think i am getting my head around this family now

Angela

Is this the death you are looking for?

Deaths Dec 1875

JUDGE Bernard 35 Walsall 6b 407


Nicki