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Ok thankyou Flo for helping me.

I still have alot to learn and find out.

Jo

Florence,

Ok thankyou for trying for me.

My friend dosent know anything about Nelson ( Grandad ) but she did say that she thinks somewhere there was children out of wedlock!!!
William her brother do you know when he died at all as you found military info.

Jo

Jo..

That was me that deleted as i wrote something similar to what Shirley had said, but she explained it better than me lol

Thankyou Flo your very kind to help

Jo

Oh ok thanx Nicki

Jo

They may have posted something that had already been posted and therefore deleted when they realised.

Nicki

Why have people deleted a message?

Anyway thankyou for your help everyone, so far got a bit of info to pass on.

Jo

Maud's birth

Births Jun 1924

James Maud A Harvey W. Ham 4a 28

Nicki

Its poss there wont be a marriage cert as cant see one for Nelson Harvey. and there was talk of illigitamancy Your friend needs to go backwards one step at a time by getting her parents marriage cert , this will give their ages and fathers names and then we can go back further , Maybe the birth found in 1902 is Emma's but I would get the marriage cert to see if age tallies.

I have just got this address for Nelson and Emma in East ham,

4a plevna street
Cyprusplace
New beckham
East Ham
E6

if any help.

Julie thankyou for helping : )

The 1901 wasn't showing his dad so this is the 1891

Claude James
Age: 11/12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: East Ham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: East Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Magdalene
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: East Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie James 31
Barton James 3
Claude James 11/12
Edith James 8
Horace James 6
Minnie James 12
William James 35

Address is 30 Stamford Rd and William was a Labourer

1901

Claude James
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1891
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: East Ham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: East Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: East Ham St Mary Magdalene
Town: East Ham
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: East Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 57
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 223
Household Members: Name Age
Albert James 13
Alice James 22
Annie James 39
Claude James 10
Edith James 18
Horace James 16
Sidney James 7
Albert Vince 29

Annie is a Widow and the address is 30 Stamford Rd

Julie,

The marriage is correct, the name Claude was mentioned just now on phone.

Thankyou

poss birth of Emma

Births Sep 1901 (>99%)
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HARVEY Emma W. Ham 4a 9

looks like the marrige for Emma Harvey

Marriages Sep 1922 (99%)
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HARVEY Emma James W.Ham 4a 82
JAMES Claude

Julie

Well that now throws doubt as to whether she was Sarah Jane James or Sarah E ... James?

Nicki

Sarah E James MMN Harvey Q2 1928 W.Ham 4a 387
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Marriages Sep 1922 (99%)
HARVEY Emma James W.Ham 4a 82
JAMES Claude Harvey W.Ham 4a 82

Ok here is what il do il speak to her again as im confused now. Sally (Sarah-Jane married a Ridgeon yes.

If Sarah married a Ridgeon then surely her maiden name would be the same as her dads and not her mum's which was Harvey

So Emma Harvey Married a James ?

I think to be able to go back with any degree of certainty you will need to ask Sally if it would be possible for you to have a look at her birth certificate.

Nicki