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Sorry Joy - Been away. Send me an email through genes reunited and I will send you a copy of the info I found.

Joy,

You could try the buriel records at Kew. Other than that not sure where to go from here. Sorry.

Joy,

Will have great difficulty if he died at sea. Most ofthe records only start from 1854. Have found the 1841 census but they are numerous deaths in middlesex, none of which I think match yours (too old, too young etc). I'll keep looking though,.

Regards

Betty,

Don't think they would have married in Ireland. She lost her first husband in Jan 1898 and had 8 children by him all born in Birmingham. Rose and Michael had their own son in Jan 1900 also in Birmingham. I will check Ireland though. Thanks

Hi Christa,

Have looked after 1901 and still no joy. Me thinks they never actually married, although she did change all of her previous husband's children's names !. It says they are married on their son's birth certificate but you can never quite beleive those can you!

Joy,

Do you know where he lived. Have found loads of William Rivers' deaths between 1839 and 1841. Any more inormation?

Hi Maggie

I'm just wondering have you checked after 1901 to see if they married later? Theres a very high possiblity they didn't marry at all but they may have done later than you're expecting them to have.

My grandmother was born 1905 & her parents didn't marry till 1907.

Hi Maggie,
Just wondering would they have gotten married in Ireland as he was from there.
Just a thought.
Betty.

Alias - The Michael Carney in 1952 was the wrong one. Back to the drawing board. My Mum tells me she thinks it might be earlier 1945-47 ish. Any joy anyone?

Shirley,

Thanks. Will order the certificate. Fingers crossed.

nudged up for death ref found

Michael senior death

June Qtr 1952

Michael Carney age 85 Birmingham 9c 175


seems whoever reg the death had his age a bit out

and young Michaels birth, still Kings Norton

Name: Michael Carney
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Kings Norton (To 1912)
County: Staffordshire, Warwickshire, Worcestershire
Volume: 6c
Page: 380 (click to see others on

here she is on the 1891

Name: Rose Goldstraw
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Uriah
Gender: Female
Where born: Whampton, Staffordshire, England

Civil Parish: Kings Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Kings Heath
Town: Kings Heath
County/Island: Worcestershire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Kings Norton
Sub-registration district: Kings Norton
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice Goldstraw 11
Lavinia Goldstraw 10
Percy Goldstraw 1
Rose Goldstraw 28
Rose Goldstraw 6
Uriah Goldstraw 39


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2350; Folio 78; Page 29; GSU roll: 6097460.

Have checked the Full indexes for 1898-1900 inc and theres no matching marraiges for Rose Goldstraw and Michael Carney

Judging by this, Maud and Rose are one and the same!

Marie Josephine Beckett 1903 Oct-Nov-Dec Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire
Rose Maud Goldstraw 1903 Oct-Nov-Dec Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire
George Allan Livett 1903 Oct-Nov-Dec Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire
George Stephens 1903 Oct-Nov-Dec Birmingham (1837-1924) Warwickshire

Yep. Got the first marriage certificate in front of me - just can't find the elusive 2nd !

Percy was killed in WW1. Maud went on to marry. She was originally GOLDSTRAW as was all the children before she married Michael. Not sure what happened to Rose. My Gt Grandmother was Phoebe.

First marriage for reference -

Marriages Dec 1879

GOLDSTRAW Uriah Wolverhampton 6b 785

Morran Rose Marian Wolverhampton 6b 785

Whose child was Maud?

And what happened to Percy and Rose jnr?

Reg