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The 1891 census shows No daughters with Sarah, so we'll work with this one and trace each girl, hoping to find 1 in London in 1891.

1881 England Census
about Sarah Neale
Name: Sarah Neale
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Lapworth, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Lapworth
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address: Stratford Road
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Solihull
Sub registration district: Tanworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Neale 44
Sarah Neale 40
Joseph Neale 16
John Neale 12
Henry Neale 10
Sarah A. Neale 8
Walter Neale 6
Emily Neale 3
Eunice Neale 8 months


EDIT>>>>>> silly me it could only be Sarah A or a very young Emily.

1891 England Census
about Sarah A Neale
Name: Sarah A Neale
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Sapworth, Warwickshire, England <<<< (Lapworth)

Civil Parish: Hornsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Hornsey
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Hornsey
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Dowdeswell 34
Kate E Dowdeswell 31
Harry C S Dowdeswell 10
Grace M Dowdeswell 8
John H Dowdeswell 6
Leslie G Dowdeswell 6/12
Arthur W Smedley 34
Albert Browne 30
Frank Browne 25
Harry Browne 18
Sarah A Neale 17 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Births Jun 1873 (>99%)
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Neal Sarah Ann Solihull 6d 540


this was looking good;

1901 England Census
about Sarah Ann Hough
Name: Sarah Ann Hough
Age: 29
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1872
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Albert J
Gender: Female
Where born: Lapworth, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Wilnecote
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
Town: Wilnecote
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Tamworth
Sub registration district: Fazeley
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 42
Household Members: Name Age
Albert J Hough 31
Sarah Ann Hough 29
Winifred Mary Hough 7
Reginald Basil Hough 3
Kathleen Doris Hough 1
Hannah Grice 14


But the marriage didn't correspond;

Marriages Mar 1893 (>99%)
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Hough Albert John Tamworth 6b 475
Mann Sarah Ann Tamworth 6b 475


But the nearest birth for Sarah Ann Mann is;

Births Sep 1870
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Mann Sarah Ann Solihull 6d 480


So did our Sarah Ann marry under the name Mann??? Now my G G Grandmother was susan Osbourne, however she married under the name Horsman, so we can't rule this one out yet.


Dee x

OK, back to the drawing board;

1881 census shows;

Sarah Ann Mann Mother - Selina born abt 1871 in Lapworth, Warwickshire, living in Tamworth, Staffordshire.

Sarah Ann must be Alberts mother, here is Emily in 1891;

1891 England Census
about Emily Neal
Name: Emily Neal
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1878
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Lapworth, Warwickshire, England

Civil Parish: Lapworth
Ecclesiastical parish: Lapworth St Mary
Town: Nuthurst
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Solihull
Sub registration district: Tanworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred H Davey 40
Jane Davey 37
Edith B Davey 6
Jane Cruttenden 15
Chas H Bebbington 5
Emily Neal 13


It's just frustrating that I can't find a conclusive marriage or 1901 census for her.

Dee x

Hi Denise,
What can i say but THANK YOU - THANK YOU - THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!
I cant tell you what this will mean to my friend - i have been looking for ages, and although i have Alberts death cert and Wedding cert, and info when he was in Army i couldnt find the correct birth - have ordered 5 certs. I like to think i am organised but you put me to shame.!!!!!!!
I am not at my pc and cant print off this info so ask you kindly will you leave it on for a week please?
I am so excited to have the info, i get as much pleasure finding correct info for my friends as i do for myself.
Many thanks again.
Sally xx

Hi sally,

I'm so pleased we've found him, I shall leave the info on the boards, I don't like to delete things just incase someone else comes along and is related in some way.

I would be interested to know who his mother was, so if you order his birth cert, which I'm sure you will, would you let me know please?

Thank goodness for his war records, Lapworth was the give away.

Warmest regards, Dee xxx

Hi Dee,
Oh i will tell you when i get the birth cert - i think it is Emily !!! but i am not always right !!!! My friend had said her Father seemed to say Lapworth rang a bell, but i haven;t been able to find anyone with that name in that area - until now !!! Yipeeeeee
Thanks again.
Regards
Sally xx

NUDGE

Hi,
I am looking for Albert on the 1911 Census - i have credits - so i am not looking for anyone to spend theirs - i just cant find him.
This family Neal (e) has had help from lots of wonderful people on GR, my friend and i have sent off for lots of birth certs but no good - i do have one more to send off for - thanks to Denise (Dee) but now all the info is on 1911 i thought i would look first. He was living with his Grandmother in 1901 in Lapworth age 8 - she was Sarah Neal age 60.
Many thanks
Sally

Hi Sally,

Using the address from his army records, here's Sarah Neale;

HOUSEHOLD SEALE SARAH F 1841 70 Solihull Warwickshire


And this must be Albert;

HOUSEHOLD SEALE ALBERT M 1892 19 Solihull Warwickshire
( I added occupation as BAKER and he comes up!!!!)


This Albert is ALWAYS giving us the run around!!!!!!!



Hope you're keeping welll???


Dee xxx

Also living with them;

HOUSEHOLD ANDREWS THOMAS M 1891 20 Solihull

Hello Dee,
Many thanks - AGAIN what a brill woman you are !!!!!!
I am well thanks - got quite excited when i saw the 1911 was finished !!! i can have a look for my Welsh lot after i have sorted out "Dear Albert"
I hope you are keeping well.
Regards
Sallyx

Me again Dee,
How were we ever meant to guess Neale was Seale???? !!!!!!!
Sallyx

They just like to keep us on our toes!!!!

Does your "N" look like a "S"???? Perhaps Grandma Sarah had been on the sherry???

Got a feeling the 1911 census isn't going to give you much info......... as per usual with Albert.


I haven't really been on GR for a couple of weeks.... just thought I'd have a nosey and then you nudge your thread.....strange!!!


Dee xx

Hi Dee, not been on GR???? i thought you slept with it, took it out shopping - the works !!!!!!!!!! i often see your name when i click on the odd persons question.
That was amazing the John McCollough's Sister wasn't it? i was watching it all the time, i wonder how things are going.
Have a good weekend.
As you said maybe the Sherry had had a bashing when Sarah filled in the form.
All the best
Sallyx

NUDGE.
Hi, me again !!!!! with the "lets play hide and seek" Mr Neale!!!!!!!
I have sent off and have in my sticky little hand the two birth certs we thought would answer the question - Where was he born??? but NO still a Fathers name AND the Mothers name isn't correct we know it's either a Sarah or Emily.
I don't know where to try now.
Any ideas??????
Many Many thanks
Sally

Hi Sally,

Looking at the 1891 census............ Sarah A Neale is in Edmonton, so I wonder if Alberts middle name Edward was added at a Christening?????????


Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Sep 1892 (>99%)
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Neale Albert Edmonton 3a 283



Dee xxx

Hi Dee, i will look at the birth cert i have !!!!
Many thanks for your trouble AGAIN !!!!!!
Regards
Sallyx

Hi, Well here i am 2010 and still looking for Alberts Birth Cert - i have now got 7 Certs and none are correct - i am looking for one WITHOUT a Fathers name - around the 1892 time. I do feel either he was younger than he said or the area London was not the area he was born. Any one any ideas????? Maybe i am missing something !!!!!!!!!
Many thanks
Sally

Hello Sally,

I've changed my board name but it's still me!!! Let's go about this a different way. When did Albert die and do you know where?


Dee x