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Hi Janey,

Sorry for the delay in replying, haven't been on here lately.

Think I found that death in 1933 before the death index was transcribed, but thanks for the other one, ( have only found a baptism in 1857 no birth for him so 1856 could be his birth yr) maybe that certwill hold some clues!

Thanks for looking and helping!

A thought -- you said:

"I found a death for Shem in 1933 in Bridgend"

Isn't that likely to be the other one from the 1911, too?

Name: Shem Thomas
Death Registration Month/Year: 1933
Age at death (estimated): 76 = c1857
Registration district: Bridgend
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 782

Although there's also this one:

Name: Shem Thomas
Death Registration Month/Year: 1935
Age at death (estimated): 79 = c1856
Registration district: Pontypridd
Inferred County: Glamorganshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 504

(The one in 1911 was slightly older so that's likely him.)


So there are enough death records to go around, it seems. ;)

Haven't got a clue, sorry!

Thought he may have been born abt 1901-1906 rather than after 1911 as Cassandra was 40 in 1901, thought that might make her too old.

Also thought there may have been an age restriction in being an informant on death cert, put up another thread abt that but didn't get any yes/no answers. One suggested asking at a RO.

Thanks for your help!

Nah, they were Wood, a Benjamin born sometime 1901-1911 with mother Cassandra about the right age, but they were in Derbyshire and obviously belonged to the Benjamin Wood marriage (BW senior must have died) in Chesterfield pre-1900.

Any chance Benjamin was actually born after 1911? Well, that would have made Cassandra a little old ...

Sorry Janey didn't see your Edit

Were the ones you found Cassandra Florence and Frederick Benjamin Thomas, I actually got the death cert of Cassandra Florence thomas by mistake in 1933. But did eventually find mine in 1923.

Oh bu*$er, guess they don't wanna be found, excuse my french!

You can hope ....))

Ta for your time Viv

EDIT

Maybe she was a suffergette!!!!???

Not with any of them,sorry Cass..

I know I've had a look There are tons of Herbert E's!!!!

Have you had any luck with Cassandra Thomas?? she was still Thomas wife of Shem when she died ( so it says on the D cert )
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Sorry yeah Winson is the surname both born Birkenhead Alfred Edward May 2 1907 and George William March 5 1909
Parents were Alfred and Cordelia Winson

I cant see the other kids,girls prob married but Herbert should have been fairly simple,but NOT..

Alfred 1907 and George 1909 what?
Born where?
Ive lost the plot....;)

Winson?

Thanks FBG :-)

There should be an Alfred born 1907 and my gampy George born 1909 wonder where they've hidden 'em!

Thanks for the welsh lot!

Registration District:
Pontypool Sub District:
Llangibby EnumerationDistrict:
12 Parish:
Llanfrechfa Upper

Address:
29 Woodlands Upper Cwmbran Near Newport Mon County:
Monmouthshire

THOMAS, Stephen Lynall Head Married M 24 1887 Miner Ripper Below Ground Durham Spennimore
THOMAS, Elizabeth Ann Wife Married F 24 1887 Durham Spennimore

Registration District:
Birkenhead Sub District:
Tranmere EnumerationDistrict:
32 Parish:
Birkenhead

Address:
1 Gothic St Rock Ferry Birkenhead County:
Cheshire

WINSON, Alfred Edgar Head Married M 27 1884 Gardner Domestic Liverpool VIEW
WINSON, Cordelia Wife Married
4 years F 28 1883 Minera Denbighshire

Think that Shem is this one, on 1911 his birthplace is MAESTEG, GLAMORGAN

1881 Wales Census
about Shem Thomas
Name: Shem Thomas
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1855
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Neath, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil parish: Neath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street Address: 10 St Davids Street
Education: View image
Employment status: View image
Occupation: General Labourer

Registration district: Neath
Sub-registration district: Neath
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Thomas 70
Margaret Thomas 74
Shem Thomas 26
John Thomas 7



Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 5339; Folio: 77; Page: 2; Line: ; GSU roll: 1342286

Thanks FBG

Yes that's the one, never thought about that Janey, I'll have a look. What I'm most interested in is finding Cassandra and hopefully Ben, but with a name like Thomas ahhhhh wish they were still Winson that was much easier ( although saying that it was mispelt for Monson in 1881!.

EDIT

But if you can find Shem's kids from first marr that'd be good too!

Ah, the best of us get stumped. ;) (Oops, I mean LB1, not FBG ... not that FBG isn't ... oh, you know.)


This is the one you say isn't him?

THOMAS SHEM 1856 55 Bridgend Glamorganshire

Is there another Shem Thomas kicking around in earlier records to account for that one?

Had he been estranged from his wife/family, he might have reported single. Or had he been away from home, the HOH might have ...

As you said: "Shem was a coal miner so I guess he went where the work was."


edit - my theory would work particularly well if Shem and Cassandra were estranged and she were living with another man under his surname ... except that I can find but one Ben* born 1901-1011 living with a Cass* of the rightish age, and they're in Derbyshire and I've found the marriage to account for them ...

Blinkin Ada Cass,you have wonderful DIFFERENT names for the welsh (ish) lot and still they go to ground.

Im not seeing them anywhere,will look more after din dins...

Can anyone find these on 1911 census, not asking anyone to use their credits I have some, just try to actually find them in the basic search.


Cassandra Thomas born 1861

Shem Thomas born c1857


Thought I'd found Shem but that one was an unmarried coal miner boarding with a family.

Thanks!

Thanks Vivienne,

AHH more waiting, :-((( hope it's the Autumn then, me credits will run out next year.

Thanks!

Cass :-))