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William Tully born c1849 parents listed as Joseph Tully & Favonius Fovye. William states he was born in Spennymore, on William's Death Cert Joseph is noted as a Botanist, but on William's Marriage Cert he is a coalminer. Can anyone find William with these parents on a Census ?

What other information do you have? Who did he marry and when?

Have info on him after marriage, looking to find his family before marriage. He married Sarah Jane Scott on the 25/02/1868 Reg Office Auckland, his age was listed as 19 and occupation Fireman (worked in Mines). Unfortunately do not know the actual birth date. He was living at South Church Co Durham at the time of Marriage.

still looking

is this him in 1871 for reference-- what evidence do you have of his parents names of joseph and Favonius, i have had a good look around but i dont seem to be able to find William with his parents, also done search on Favonius in different formats but nothing comes up only thing is that this seems to be used as a male name

*Tracy*


1871 England Census
about William Tully
Name: William Tully
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Ferry Hill
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Innocents
Town: Low Spenny Moor
County/Island: Durham
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Stockton
Sub registration district: Sedgefield
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Household schedule number: 212
Household Members: Name Age
Georgina Tully 2
Sarah Tully 23
William Tully 23

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 4911; Folio: 24; Page: 41; GSU roll: 848013.

Yes, Tracy, that's all I could see also. Where did you get his mother's name from, Fred?

Fred

YOU said his mother's name in your header message!!!!


I spent quite a long time yesterday trying to find Favonius Fovye ..... which is what you say in the header box!


Is that wrong?? Have we all been on a wild goose chase?



sylvia

No Wild goose Chase. That is the names given on the Death Certificate!!! and marriage certf has father as Joseph a coal miner, however on Williams death certf he is a botanist. I have searched with out success as well.

the 1871 census is the right family. However William's death certf says he was born in Spinnamore England think they might have meant Spenny Moor. No actual date of birth given. He was 60 when he died in 1908. and 19 when he married in 1868.

ooops

I have to apologise to you Fred, I misread the posting from Lewella as being from you ..... I didn't read it properly!

I'm not a complete ass ............ so I'm very sorry. I do like to help people, just seem to get at cross purposes with you!


sylvia

I could perhaps explain the coal miner vs botanist conundrum

I come from the North of England, and through the 1800s, and even into the 1920s and 30s, it was very very common to find people in jobs such as coal mining or the cotton/woollen mill, who had taught themselves science, and become very well thought of amateur naturalists, botanists or zoologists ....... their fate in life was to work hard, their dream was out on the moors.

So he could very well have wanted to use botanist to describe himself.

OR it could be that the person who informed on his death only knew him in his amateur capacity as a botanist ...... after all, the information on any UK birth certificate is only as good as the knowledge of the informant.


As a personal story .......... the vicar of the last parish I lived in in England was probably the very last of the amateur naturalist priests. Being a vicar was very much a sideline for him!

He loved to be out on the moors, teaching young people geology and botany. In 1958, he discovered that I was specializing in Zoology and Botany at the high school. He used to visit the house regularly, bringing dried plant specimens for me to see. It actually turned me off botany, although I did eventually return to it.

In the 1980s, I met a well-known British plantsman visiting here in Canada .... and it turned out that he had been turned ONTO plants by this same vicar (in the parish he was in before he came to my town).


Hope thta this explains a little what might have hapened to your ancestor


sylvia

Freddie
I Take it that on williams marraige cert that joseph was still alive !
Also who are the witnessess on the cert
*Tracy*

Sylvia, thanks for the info on the botanist bit, seemed strange to me, but your explanation might be the answer there, as it was William's son that supplied the info on the death certf., and since he was an infant when they emigrated to Australia he probably never met his grandparents. Seems to be the problem that once they emigrated to Aus they never spoke about their families back in England.

Tracy, the witnessess were his father in law Robert Scott and Jane Scott, Sarah's sister. It does not say that Joseph is deceased, so presume he was alive.

I did not realise they had emirgrated no mention in any posting till now ,that is why i cannot find any of them on later census, maybe his father had previousley been abroad before he was born and thats why we cannot find him with his wife.

*Tracy*

William and Sarah with their children emigrated, not Joseph & Wife.

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Still have not found out anything more on William with his parents. Beginning to think that despite it saying on his death certificate that he was born in Spinnamore (Spenny Moor??) England, that with the name of Tully, and with his mother's name being Favonius Fovye that maybe he was actually Irish or possibly Scottish??? I know Tully can be an Irish name, but any ideas on Fovye.

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Hi Freddie
have you tried to google the surname Fovye, i have and all it has brought up is some foreign listings that i do not understand, it may be russian i dont know. Just a thought
regards
Tracy