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what really upsets me is on nearly every certificate I get there is never an address of where the event took place just the parish or town

Margaret

How odd. All the certificates (some date from the 1850's) I have give the address where a birth or death took place, plus the address and relationship of the informant. Marriage certificates all give the name of the church or, in one case, the Registry Office.

Hi Margaret
I have only recently started doing my tree - but in May I ordered 2 wedding certs - they both just have

Married at: the parish church, parish and county

no mention of the name of the actual church.

I thought this was standard practice untill I saw your post

i must be lucky then,as quite a lot of mine have adresses on.In fact Thats how I found my grandmothers death,was at same address asI was born

Kay

Sorry should have said I have the address of the bride and groom but I don't know which church they married in

The name of the church, if they married in church will be listed, if they got married in church....

As for the address it's purely locational.... some were extremely good at fine details some were slack.

I have certs from Lancashire and some have the full address and some merely have the village.... maybe it has to do with the size of the place also. I suppose they never think on an historical basis and think well, the village is only ¦----this big------¦ so we'll not put the address!!!

The ages is what gets me, full age.... really doesn't help anyone....

....and my fave hate of all.... when you discover the bride has a different surname from her father and now suddenly your looking for ANOTHER marriage!!!

Grrr

Tracey

And how about when the father's name is actually the step father and it sends you off down another blind alley grrrrrrrrrrrrr
Angela

hi all,
last week my aunt went to have a look around ford cemetry in liverpool as most of my ancestors were buried there only to find (not been for many years) most of the graves have been moved and also the church has been knocked down. as she couldent find what she was looking for someone told her many people back then couldent afford the fees so were buried in paupers gaves so does anyone know where and if i could find any records of these burials and where would the church records be if the church is no longer there? hope this makes sense!!!
pat.

The church records will i believe be with either one of the previous members of the church council (depending on demonination) or the local records office...

You will need the internment book, and this was only usually kept at the church and rarely copied to the records office.

It's worth ringing the local RO and asking them what has happened to the books from there.

Tracey

Pat, the church records will most likely be held at the Records Office.

Sam x

Patricia, I should imagine that is happening more and more with churches either been knocked down or converted to other use.
Angela

Hi Patricia yes you can find out about paupers graves I trawled ancestry to find the death of my g/grandmother knowing the district it would come under and found it sent off for it and it was the right one. I then emailed the cemetery to ask if there was a grave for her they replied she had been buried in a paupers grave but since then a family had bought the plot but her remains were still there and they gave me the plot no:

Margaret

Even when they have addresses on them they are often borrowed and not their own....just so they can marry in that parish.

Yes Devon Dweller..... have experienced that also!!

Seems they save on the banns costs by living in the same parish!

One of my ancestors used an address and we have no idea who they were!!

Tracey

Can I just say that when my descendants look at my second marriage they will have that problem. I live in Scotland and have done for a while but wanted to get married in Yorkshire, which is where I was born. So I stayed with my sister in Bradforn and Ricky stayed with his mum in Scotton to enable us to do so.
Angela

lol if you mention the problems people will have finding us...

I married and was divorced 3 years later and immediately went back to my maiden name... all my children ( 1 in the marriage and 2 to my partner) all have my maiden name. The eldest i had to take my ex to court to do so...

When i marry again i will marry as my maiden name, altho i know my registration will have 2 entries because legally i am one name but known by another....and my children to my partner will automatically take his name and have to be reregistered... and i believe their original registration will be removed....!!!

....has anyone ever thought when they fill in their census forms who's going to be looking at this in years to come? I know i never did until i started doing this.... I'm not married to my partner and all my children have my name so how they gong to work out who he is??

Lets hope the tree i am doing carries on going and they will already have it!

Tracey
(living in fear of being someone else's enigma!!)

1. Children do not have to automatically take thier fathers surname. There is no law in this country which requires that to happen
2. Original registrations are never removed on re-registration. They still exist, but the later registration on legitimisation takes precedence.

JMW,

When unmarried parents of a child then go onto marry, the law requires that the child is then reregistered with the fathers surname....it's done at the same time as the marriage, this is the main reason i chose to keep my children in my name... i had a bad experience and wanted to keep my family unit, i am not against marrying my partner but probably will do when the time is right.... i also know my children will not be left out as they must be reregistered as soon as we marry, they will therefore carry his name...

i) couples who marry following the registration of their child's birth.

When an unmarried couple have a child or children then subsequently marry, they by law have to re-register the child or children under the Legitimacy Act of 1929. They have to complete a LA1 form, the form must be signed by both parents. A copy of LA1 form can be collected from our office or downloaded from this website. The couple will need to make an appointment to re-register and along with the LA1 form they will need to produce their marriage certificate and the original birth certificate for the child.
Re-registration is only permitted when the marriage takes place in England or Wales. The child can at this point have their surname changed to that of the father or to be given a double-barrelled name. The mother's name can also be changed at this point. A new birth certificate is issued once the changes have been made. the fee of £3.50 is charged.
If the marriage takes place abroad, the LA1 form is sent to the General Register Office (GRO) who will then check the legitimacy laws of the country where the marriage took place. They will inform us what actions the couple need to take. We will then write to the couple informing them of the GRO decision.

Tracey, do you know what the law was prior to 1929?
My great great grandmother was born as Anne Ingham Barker, but her marriage certificate gives her name as Ann Barker Ingham. I have not been able to find a marriage for her parents. One of my cousins has Ann's birth certificate and her marriage certificate. On both her father is George Inham and her mother on her Birth Cert is a Sarah Barker. She was born in 1868 was the law the same as it is now then?
Angela

Hi Tracey i'm the sames as you some of my children were in my maiden name - then I married the father and we had to have them reregisterd in my married name - they still show up in both names on Ancestry though - the original registration remains