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in 1881 census mistranscribed. Eldest son Charles is 2 months old

Name: Charles Sadler
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emily
Gender: Male
Where born: Greenwich, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 149 Canterbury Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: P Case Maker

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Peckham
ED, institution, or vessel: 46
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Sadler 22
Charles Sadler
Emily Sadler 21


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cathy

Margerat

1901 census

Name: Charles Sadler
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent Rd, London, England

Civil Parish: Shoreditch St Leonard
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew Hoxton
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 228
Household Members: Name Age
Albert Sadler 7
Alfred Sadler 10
Charles Sadler 41
Charles Sadler 20
Edward Sadler 16
Emma Sadler 40
George Sadler 18
Harry Sadler 12
Nellie Sadler 14


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Charles the dad is a wood sawyer in the census returns and mum Emma never has an occupation listed.

This is their marriage

Emma Aldersdon/Charles Sadler
Marriage Registration
December Quarter
1878
St George in the East
London Middlesex
1c, 888

Possible birth for Emma

Emma Alderson
Birth Registration
June Quarter
1860
St George Southwark
Surrey
1d, 115

Cathy

Margaret
I cant pick her up in 1871 or 1861 census without her parents names.

Cathy

thanks for that Cathy will go on from there
Margaret

Cath just found him amongst papers ,his name was John William Alderson
Margaret

Hi Lou

I have been through every index on every disc including Phillimores Middlesex Marriages and have found nothing for George marrying Elizabeth. I am sorry to not be more help.

Cathy

Margaret

1871 census with Emma aged ten. Emma's mother, Emma is John's second wife

Name: Edward Alderson
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark; St Saviour
Civil Parish: St George The Martyr Southwark
Ecclesiastical parish: St George the Martyr
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Household schedule number: 114
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Alderson 12
Eleanor Alderson 3
Emma Alderson 37
Emma Alderson 10
Henry Alderson 22
John Alderson 51
Thomas Alderson 7
William Alderson 9 months


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1861 census

Name: Edward Addison
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark, St George

Civil Parish: Southwark St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
Town: London
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: St George Southwark
Sub registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 217
Household Members: Name Age
Edward Addison 2
Emma Addison 24
Emma Addison 1
Henry Addison 10
John Addison 41
John Addison 16
Richardson Addison 14
Edward Smith 18


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1851 census with John's first wife Fanny

Name: John Alderson
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Fanny
Gender: Male
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Southwark St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St George
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St George Southwark
Sub registration district: Kent Road
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members: Name Age
Fanny Alderson 34
Frances Alderson 8
Henry Alderson 1
John Alderson 31
John Alderson 7
Richard Alderson 4


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Fannys death

Fanny Alderson
Death Registration
December Quarter
1851
St George Southwark
Surrey
1d, 91

John and Fanny's marriage

John William Robert Alderson/Fanny Grainger
Marriage Registration
March Quarter
1841
West London
London
2, 176

Fanny was born abt 1817 in Cork Ireland according to the 1851 census.

I cannot pick up a marriage for John and Emma his new wife.

Cathy

Margaret

Deaths of Charles Sadler and Emma

Charles Sadler
Death Registration
Estimated birth Year: abt 1858
June Quarter
1913
Age: 55y
Shoreditch
London Middlesex
1c, 98

Emma Sadler
Death Registration
Estimated birth year: abt 1860
December Quarter
1904
Age: 44y
Shoreditch
London Middlesex
1c, 66

Baptism of Emma's father

John William Robert Alderson baptised 25 July 1819 Saint Mary Magdalene Bermondsey London
Father: John Alderson
Mother: Eleanor
IGI extracted record batch no/P001582

Cathy

Cathy ,this is incredible,how do you do it ?
the most weird thing is
Fanny has led us back to Co cork in Ireland
the other side of my grandmothers family came from there
thanks so much Cathy
Margaret

You are more than welcome Margaret

Cathy

Hi Cathy, It's good to have you back, hope all is well with you.

Thanks so much for the Osborne births, will let my friend know what you've found.

Never mind on the George Jackman & Elizabeth Beddell marriage. Their marriage is proving to be difficult to find. But never mind.

Thanks so much for taking the time and trouble to trawl through you disks, it's very kind of you and it's really appreciated from both of us.

Good hunting to you in your own research,

Regards, Lou

Hi Cathy
could you please do me a look up
Samuel Williment 1891 st giles
St George Bloomsbury,
A kind lady emailed me yesterday and is looking in
Ireland for my grandparents ,ie The elusive grandfather Samuel ,I just found a slip of paper with the above one on and as I have tried for so long to find him it may be a small lead or a rule out
Thanks a lot Cathy
Margaret

Hi Margaret

Do you mean a look up in the 1891 census?

Cathy

Cathy ,if you could look up ,That is what was on the slip of paper ,I am going for every angle to try and find Samuel
Thanks Cathy

Hi margaret

I have checked the 1891 census and can find no Samuel Williment under any spelling in St Giles. I can not pick him up in any census. There is a death for a Samuel Williment in 1909 in Lambeth but after checking the census that Samuel was married to an Emma and was born in Norfolk.
There is a death for a Sarah A Williment in 1922 in Croydon. Is that your Sarah Williment?
I have no idea at all why he cannot be found.

Cathy

Hi Cathy ,it is our Sarah,I have her on all the census
Samuel is on 2 of the childrens birth cert ,never at home on the census
A kind lady emailed me a few days ago to look for my grandfather in Ireland and she found my uncle Marshall and my grandmother ,on her marriage cert it is Jacob
Sarah was a housekeeper to a Jacob Payne
Samuel was a mariner and we have him on board the Morwenna but nothing since
Could he possibly have been in prison
margaret

Hi Cathy, I wonder if you could look up this birth for me please, it's for my friend again and she's just received a cert which shows new light on her gt gt grandfathe'rs birth. You search for her a few days ago, but the cert says he was much older than she thought.

1870 - 1871 birth William Frederick Nelson Osborne. London.

thanks again, Lou

Hi Lou

I have been right through the BMD indexes 1868-1873 and there is nothing at all for a William Frederick Nelson Osborne under any variation of surname. I can only think his birth wasn't registered.

Cathy

Hi Cathy, Thank you so much for taking the time to look again. He seems to be as elusive as a baby as he was as a father, so nothing has changed there. I shall tell me friend, and I'm sure she will send her thanks for your time too.

Take care and we'd like to wish you good luck in your own research.

Take Care, Lou

Hi Cathy,
Just back from a 2-week shower(!). Thanks for digging out the other marriages. You've set me a task now to establish if Mary Goater is the same one who was christened at St.George's in 1806. Hopefully there might be a sighting in the 1841 census - there don't seem to have been many Lipops about!
Thanks again,
Phil