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Think i have found Marriage June Q 1852.

now to find them on the 1851 census

Oh dear what a shock i have just received birth cert for Pass Bradbury 1853 it states father Samuel Bradbury mother Elizabeth formerly BUCKLEY of Mount Pleasant Hyde !!!!!!

sorry to have led everyone up the wrong path.

now back to the drawing board for a marriage first child Jane born 1845 mother Elizabeth b 1827 father Samuel b 1819

Any help appreciated Please!

Regards
Bev

I see where you are going !

I will look afresh tomorrow

Dea x

Hi Dea, Im really not sure as on that census there is a john age 3 that i cant tie in and no sign of Jane who would have been about 6 she is shown with samuel and Elizabeth on 1861 census at 16.

not sure what to think!!

Bev x

Are they not the ones I gave you originally on the 1851 Census? - William + Fanny Hilton?

If not, I will look further.

Dea x

Dea, My aim in all this is to find Samuel Bradbury's parents.
According to the Family Vault he was buried Oct 10 1900 aged 81 with his Wife Elizabeth d June 19 1904
aged 77 son Pass Feb 11 1854 three baby girls Elizabeth, Elizabeth Alice and Hannah all under two and his son Samuel Edgar Jan 7 1900 aged 37.

I have seen this vault with my own eyes and seen the burial reg, his surviving children were Jane 1845 went to Canada, Thomas 1856 a chemist in Glossop, Aaron 1860 a music Teacher Hyde and Gertrude 1870 who died a very rich spinster in 1959.

All the above is fact............ So the big question.......
where do i go from here.

Regard Bev x

Hi Bev,

This is a 'tricky' lot to follow as the 2 families obviously keep marrying each other.

I know where we started off but I am not surprised you "don't know where to go next"!

You need to try to stick to just the main line for now to make sure you don't wander off. - The others can then be added later.

Which is the 'direct' line you are following back?

Dea x

Thankyou everyone who has helped and advised on this matter, i have now ordered a birth Cert for Samuel and Elizabeth Bradbury's son Pass Bradbury born 1853. Im hoping this will shed more light on my dilemma.

will let you know the outcome!

Katherine i noticed you comment on the age gap between Jane b1845 and Thomas 1856, Pass came between them but died aged one

Regards Bev

Thanks for the info Dea,
sorry im in a whirl with this and dont know where to go next.

Regards Bev

Thanks Catherine,
I also found this Hibbert Family, but i discovered that Mark Hibbert had a twin sister and she had a daughter called Elizabeth Hibbert. I AM NOW SO CONFUSED because Mark Hibbert Married Mary Bradbury and there are two Elizabeth Hibberts i really dont even know who i am any more!!!!!
Marks twin sister was called Mary she d 1880 their mother was Martha Wiolde b 1761
also i cant find Samuels Parents William Bradbury and Fanny (HILTON i think)

Regards Bev

This looks like the Hibbert family (which matches the marriage cert for Betty) in 1841 (the name is Hibbert on the image for them all). All are born in the county of Cheshire

1841 England Census

Civil Parish: Stockport
Hundred: Macclesfield
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address: Gee Cross
Registration district: Stockton
Sub registration district: Hyde

Household Members:
Name Age
Mark Hebbert 45 (Cotton Spinner)
Mary Hebbert 40
Martha Hebbert 20 (Cotton Weaver)
Hannah Hebbert 18 (Cotton Carder)
Betty Hebbert 15 (Cotton Carder)
Sarah Hebbert 74(14 on image) (Cotton Carder)
Abram Hilbert 12 (Cotton Piecer)
Samuel Hilbert 10
Thomas Hilbert 8
William Hilbert 5
Mary Hilbert 2
Charlotte Hilbert 3 Mo (3 weeks on image)
Mark Hilbert 3 Mo (3 weeks on image)

HO107/111/8
Enumeration District: 5; Folios: 4 & 5

Have to go off soon but this HAS to connect up :

1851:
Name: Mark Hibbert
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1797
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Hyde, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Hyde
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Stockport
Sub registration district: Marple
ED, institution, or vessel: 2e
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 127
Household Members: Name Age
Fanny Bredbury 8
Martha Bredbury 32
Phoebe Bredbury 8 Mo
Jane Hibbert 8
Mark Hibbert 54
Mary Hibbert 51 (nee Bradbury !!!!)
Mary Hibbert 13
Samuel Hibbert 21
Thomas Hibbert 19
Willam Hibbert 15




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece: 2154; Folio: 431; Page: 34; GSU roll: 87128-87129.

Source Information:


Dea x

Hi - Samuel's father looks right - do you want to e-mail me a copy of the cert and I can go through the notes I made and see if I can sort something?

I will pm my e-mail address.

Dea x

Sorry forgot to add date of marriage 11 Aug 1845

Got to nip out will check back in a while.

Bev

Hi all,
Just recieved marriage Cert for Samuel Bradbury and betty Hibbert, Fathers .. william bradbury collier
mark hibbert spinner.
Living Denton at marriage.
ages at marriage Samuel 23, Betty 22
in presence of William Harrop and ? shaw ( cant work out name).
Dont know what im doing wrong but i cant tie them in anywhere with the family im sure about, and the ages dont match
Have i ordered wrong Cert!!!!!

Any Help would be welcome, Thankyou,

Regards Bev

Sorry Dea, was tying myself in knots will send for Marriage Cert.

Thankyou for all your Help, didnt mean to be a pain.

Bev x

Bev,

You have messaged me asking about Samuel's birth + parents - I have given details of the likely family already.

The only way to be sure is to send for the marriage cert. - This should give you the name of both father's and their occupations - They can then be traced back from there with more certainty.

Dea x

Here it is...............

Cheshire Marriage indexes for the years: 1845
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
BRADBURY Samuel HIBBERT Betty Mottram in Longdendale, St. Michael Tameside CE31/3/214


Marriages Sep 1845

BRADBURY Samuel Ashton _ 20 43
Hibbert Betty Ashton 20 43

Dea x

Hi Katherine,
You have the right family Jane went to live i Canada,
but i am beggining to think that Samuel and Elizabeth were never married and all the children just took the name Bradbury, they had nine children and i know what happened to all of them but i cant trace a marriage anywhere!!!!

as i am new to this is it possible they never married?

thanks for all your efforts.

regards
Bev

This could be Jane's birth (Stockport is reg district for Gee Cross Hyde)

Births Jun 1845
BRADBURY Jane Stockport 19 274

..as could this

Births Jun 1845
HIBBERT Jane Stockport 19 249