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I think I'm just nudging. Haven't been on for ages.

Margot

Hi Dea

I do hope you see this.

The information you gave me on William and Gordon Adam has had a great outcome. Yesterday I received Death Certs for them both, and have been able to establish they are definitely my relatives. Thank you so much for your help, I really do appreciate it.

Regards
Margot

You are very welcome...

The Historical Directories site is extremely interesting isn't it?

It took me ages to work out the best ways to use it as it is rather 'fiddly' to search but well worth it in the end as it is absolutely overflowing with information.

Dea x

Hi Dea

Many thanks for the Historical Directories tip. I didn't know it existed! I found the references to William on Kelly's 1891, and spent some time looking at other decades, directories etc. Haven't had time to do anything about Wills, but that's next. Thanks again for your help.
Regards, Margot

I wondered where you were - you do seem to appear at strange times.

Have a nice sleep - speak tomorrow!

Dea x

Hi Dea
I have to close down too - my bed is calling - 11pm here in Western Australia. Many thanks for your last two messages, I will certainly follow both up. Thanks again.

Regards, Margot

Again, You will find mention of William in Historical Directories - have to go off for a while so can't do much more than find him in Kelly's 1891 which doesn't say much.

You might want to have a little search for yourself - do you have the site info?

If not:

http://www.historicaldirectories.org/hd/index.asp

Dea x

I am quite surprised actually that William does not appear to have left a Will - especially as he was 'friendly with a Solicitor?

I haven't looked too hard for this but it might be worth your while trying to find one!!?

Dea x

Hi Dea

I understand now, thank you for giving me the extra information. It does seem that they were doing quite well.

Regards, Margot

O.K.They are living in what appears to be a large house in a very small village in Shropshire - they come from London, so perhaps??? a second home?

William is a Retired Army Officer - Captain
He has a younger (second?) wife.
Gordon (his son) is 'Living on his own means' - which means he doesn't need to have a job!
Visitors Francis Anderson - Solicitor (quite a prestigious post in those days)
Visitors - William Taylor + Millie - living on own means

Servants:
John Henry - Farm Servant
James Powell - Groom
Emma Wall - Cook
Fanny Wall - Kitchenmaid
Mary Charrier - Housemaid

That certainly looks 'well to do' by my standards?

Dea x

Hi Dea

PS Can you please tell me how you deduced that the William Adam family were 'well to do'. (see your msg of 07.50.

Margot

Hi Dea

Thank you for your continued interest.

Yes, the cert. definitely says Emily Robertson.

Regards
Margot

Sorry - I havn't the 'foggiest' but it is included in the reference for the image shown on the Ancestry site!

I am sure someone on here will know.

I have found a couple of possible marriages but I think it will only confuse to post them now as I can't prove a connection.

Can you confirm that it does say EMILY Robertson on that cert as Arthur's mother?

Could it possibly be Amelia or Emelia?

I can find no births for Arthur or Gordon Adam in London but will keep trying to follow my theories through until I find something which makes sense.

Let me know about that 'Emily' name as it could be important.

Dea x

Hi Dea

Many thanks for all the info posted. It certainly does sound as if this William might be mine.
Can you please tell me what a GSU Roll is?

Regards, Margot

Looks like we may actually get somewhere with this now we have more info Margot, I do hope so. Of course if he was in the Army he may have married his first wife abroad (just to make life a little harder!)

Thanks Margot - every bit of info helps!

I am tempted to follow this one, though not getting any further yet so I will post it for info :

1891:
Name: William Adam
Age: 71
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary A
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Ashford Bowdler
Ecclesiastical parish: Ashford Bowdler
County/Island: Shropshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Ludlow
Sub registration district: Cainham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Gordon Adam 42 .........? witness at marriage ???
Mary A Adam 57
William Adam 71 ..........Retired army officer !!
Francis Anderson 57
Mary Charrier 23
John Henry 69
James Powell 21
Millie Taylor 48
William D Taylor 68
Emma Wall 26
Fanny Wall 15




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2082; Folio 6; Page 5; GSU roll: 6097192.

I think it is at least worth following for a while - the father William seems to fit - The family is 'well to do', which would fit with Arthur described as 'gent' on wedding cert - Also there is a Gordon - (one of the witnesses)

The mother is not an Emily but Mary A looks like a 2nd marriage according to her age?

This time the family are said to have been born London, Middlesex. - I will try and work backwards with them though not having much luck so far!

What do you think?

Dea x

Hi all
Many thanks for replies.
You are right, Mrs Bucket and Lindylu, on the marriage cert to Gertrude Emilie Jones on 22/12/1885, in the registration district of Newport, in the Parish of St George's in the County of Shropshire, Arthur Granville Adam's place of birth doesn't appear.
On the marriage certs, of his two marriages in Australia, it states that he was born in 'Fifeshire, Scotland'.
On the English certificate he is 31yo and he is described as being a Bachelor, Gentleman, residing in Stockwell, and his father's name was William and he was Captain. The witnesses are Gordon Adam, George Jones, Edwin Jones and AJ Greene.
On his second marr. cert, to Frances Viviain Morrison, in Claremont, Western Australia, in 1900, he is described as Widower, Boat Proprietor, and his father William, and his profession as Army Captain. His mother being described as Emily Robertson. Witnesses ? Bruce Murrie, Edmund ?Howard.
The third to Edith Mabel de Pury on 3/9/1912 in Norwood, South Australia, he is described as Widower, Veterinary Surgeon. The witnesses are Ellena A de Pury and J R de Pury.
I have birth certs of several of Arthur's children and his place of birth states, Fifeshire, Scotland, and on his death cert. in 1920 in Port Augusta in South Australia also.
Arthur's father isn't described as deceased on any of the certificates, although that isn't necessarily true.

Trust that this isn't too much information.

Regards, Margot

Even more interested in this one now as the plot thickens.

Margot,
What details can you give us from the 1885 marriage cert? Does it give an occupation for Arthur? Does it name a father and his occupation and state whether deceased?

Any piece of information however small just might be the clue.

Maureen

Mrs Bucket but §till Lòóking for Boookay

Duh!! Why didnt I notice that!! Birth details dont get put on a marriage cert do they? Or have I lost the plot as well!

Re>> "Arthurs marriage certs say he was born in 'Fifeshire, Scotland'."

Where on a Marriage cert does it say where a person was born?...or have i lost the plot?

Gerri x