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Would someone be so kind as to help me trace more information on my gr grandfather George Spittle. I have the following information so far.

Marriage cert:
26 Jan 1911
The Register Office - Fulham, London
George Spittle - age 42yrs - bachelor - railway motorman
Father: George Burnett Spittle - farm labourer
Gertrude Amelia Jones - age 39yrs - spinster
Father: John Henry Jones (deceased) - general labourer
In the presence of: Fanny Dolby, Joseph Dolby + Elenor Clarke

I have only been able to find him in the 1901 census:

1901 England Census
about George Spittle
Name: George Spittle
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Gertrude W (should read Gertrude A)
Gender: Male
Where born: Stoke Newington, London, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mark
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 3 Harcourt Street, St. Marlyebone, London
Occupation: Railway Engine Stoker
Condition as to marriage: Married (he actually wasn't!!!)
Education:
Employment status: View Image

Registration district: St Marylebone
Sub registration district: St Mary
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 43
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen M Clarke 33 (this looks like one of his witnesses at wedding)
Ann Spittle 2 (my grandmother)
George Spittle 30 (this is definitely him)
Gertrude W Spittle 28 (should read Gertrude A Spittle)

I would like to be able to find his birth registration so that I can find out his mothers name and find out more info on his father so that I can verify this generation and go further back.

Many thanks for any assistance.
Rebecca
P.S. I am a paid member of Genes + Ancestry.

Possible? his age looks like 19 on the form.

George S Spittle
Age: 17
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Son
Father's Name: George S
Mother's Name: Margaret E
Gender: Male
Where born: St Pancras

Civil Parish: St Andrew and St George
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Evangelist
Town: Holborn
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Holborn
Sub registration district: St George the Martyr
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Alice G Spittle 2
George S Spittle 38
George S Spittle 17
Henry W Spittle 14
James J Spittle 8
Louisa E Spittle 10
Margaret E Spittle 40

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Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 218; Folio 158; Page 33; GSU roll: 6095328.

Not sure about that 1891 I posted - I think this is that couple:

Marriages Jun 1872 (>99%)
Banks Joseph Strand 1b 854 Scan available - click to view
HANN Annie Maria Strand 1b 854 Scan available - click to view
SPITTLE George Samuel Strand 1b 854 Scan available - click to view
Upson Margaret Emma Strand 1b 854 Scan available - click to view

Some sort of connection maybe?

Births Jun 1901 (>99%)
SPITTLE George Barnett Marylebone 1a 553 Scan available - click to view

Not much help right now - but these could be relatives


Marriages Jun 1841 (>99%)
**** BARNETT Hannah Walsall 17 228 Scan available - click to view
BERREY David Walsall 17 228 Scan available - click to view
Holland Ann Walsall 17 228 Scan available - click to view
MAGUIRE Charles Walsall 17 228 Scan available - click to view
Milner Henry Walsall 17 228 Scan available - click to view
MUIRHEAD Mary Walsall 17 228 Scan available - click to view
**** SPITTLE Samuel Walsall 17 228 Scan available - click to view
THORNHILL Mary Walsall 17 228

1891 cencus?

Name: George Spittle
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Brother
Mother's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Stoke Mandeville, Buckinghamshire, England

Civil Parish: Hammersmith
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Fulham
Sub registration district: St Paul Hammersmith
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Greening 20
Albert E Spittle 4
George Spittle 20 engine?
Joseph Spittle 31 brother
Mariam Spittle 35
Marrian C Spittle 7
Sarah Weston 60

mmmm - found this on the family search site:

Barnett SPITTELS Head M Male 45 Stoke, Buckingham, England Ag Lab
Ann SPITTELS Wife M Female 42 Ivinghoe, Buckingham, England Ag Lab Wife
Edwin SPITTELS Son U Male 19 Stoke, Buckingham, England Barman (Inn) London
Robert SPITTELS Son U Male 17 Stoke, Buckingham, England Ag Lab
Harry SPITTELS Son U Male 14 Stoke, Buckingham, England Ag Lab
Rosa E. SPITTELS Daur U Female 12 Stoke, Buckingham, England
George SPITTELS Son U Male 10 Stoke, Buckingham, England Scholar
Mary J. SPITTELS Daur U Female 8 Stoke, Buckingham, England Scholar
Fanny R. SPITTELS Daur U Female 6 Stoke, Buckingham, England Scholar
Thomas J. SPITTELS Son U Male 3 Stoke, Buckingham, England Scholar
Isaac SPITTELS Son U Male 1 Stoke, Buckingham, England

This looks like marriage of the 1881 family in Bucks.

Marriages Mar 1856 (>99%)
Smith Ann Wycombe 3a 399 Scan available - click to view
Spittle Barnet Wycombe 3a 399

Dear Jill,

Thanks for your help.

I don't believe this is him in the 1891 census you have posted as Stoke Newington fell under district Hackney and not Pancras. Looking on the map Stoke Newington is on the outer border of north London. Also, he does not appear to have a middle name. His fathers middle name is stated as Burnett which does not begin with an S either. I have the marriage cert of his youngest daughter Ivy Spittle in Hammersmith dated 23 Dec 1934 and again he is simply called George Spittle.

I hope I don't sound rude with the above. I'm just trying to think out loud.

Best regards,
Rebecca

If on the main page of Ancestry you type Spittle (surname) and Barnett (forename) quite an odd little list comes up.

There must be a connection to your man ...

Jill

Jill,

Agree that George S and Margaret married Strand are NOT his. So we can exclude that 1891 census.

Regards, Rebecca

That's fine Rebecca - I'm just bouncing info around a bit.

You don't always get middle names/initials showing on censuses by the way. I've discounted that 1891 that I found anyway as they don't seem right.

Jill

Dear Alice,

With regards to the birth regs in 1871 I don't believe he is the George Spittle in Kensington as Stoke Newington fell under district Hackney according to the UKGEN info. If you know/think differently, please correct me.

Thanks, Rebecca

Jill, regarding:

Some sort of connection maybe?

Births Jun 1901 (>99%)
SPITTLE George Barnett Marylebone 1a 553 Scan available - click to view

He only had 3 daughters together with Gertrude that are known to my father:

Annie Rosina 1899 Marylebone (my grandmother)
Kate 1905
Ivy 1908

Regards,
Rebecca

Dear West Country Lass,

I don't think this is him. It doesn't look like he had a middle name and I believe the birth place is Stoke Mandeville for this census extract and not Stoke Newington.

Thanks, Rebecca

It's possible that George Barnett (1901) died young. In which case your father may not have known about him.

Jill

Dear Richard,

I have seen the census extract you have posted, but discarded it as it states Stoke Mandeville and not Stoke Newington as the birth place.

Many thanks,
Rebecca

Rebecca - do you have any other documentation that tells you he was born in Stoke Newington? If not, then keep an open mind for a while about the Stoke Mandeville findings.

Also, keep an open mind about the Barnett connections.

It may not all help at the moment but it may fit in later with other information.

Jill

Jill, regarding:

It's possible that George Barnett (1901) died young. In which case your father may not have known about him.
Jill

That's something I didn't think of. I will try to trace a deather of this George Barnett on FreeBMD to see if that might work out. Interesting thought. Only question I would raise is that his fathers middle name is spelt with a U = BURNETT and not Barnett. I've seen a lot of different spellings of names, so this might not be so out of key.

I'll let you know if I find an early death.

Thanks,
Rebecca

Jill,

No other doc other than the definitely correct 1901 census that states Stoke Newington. I've seen a real Spittle community in Stoke Mandeville on a lot of census material and I thought I'd hit the jackpot with Richards census posting when I found it 2 weeks ago. Maybe it still could be right. I found the Sarah Weston in it again though and she was NOT their mother as she had other children in another census (which I did not save....).

Regards,
Rebecca