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England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Charles Brennen
Name: Charles Brennen
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Derby
County: Derbyshire
Volume: 7b
Page: 388

Derbylass,

Unless Emma remarried or they have her under a total misspelled last name, I can not find her anywhere in 1881 or 1891. And, if the children were with her in those years, then we won't be able to find them either under what ever name.

Joan you're a star ! I was told that there was a Charles Brennan,that was a brother to my 2x Gt grandfather (John),but could find no proof

Is this Margaret in 1891? Was there another son Charles (brother to Margaret)?

1891 England Census
about George Beeson
Name: George Beeson
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Duffield, Derbyshire, England

Civil Parish: St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Derby
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Derby
Sub registration district: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Beeson 6
George Beeson 37
George Beeson 2
Margaret Beeson 25
Charles Brennen 19

It's funny you should mention if they had separated or divorced it had crossed my mind,i have even tried to look for her death(under Emma Brennan) from late 1895 -1911 and there's not one.

Margaret married a George Beeson (but her surname was down as Breman.I know she was in England in 1895 because she was mentioned in her daughter's death inquest.

Okay, here's another scenario...is it possible that Emma and John separated or divorced and she remarried? Hence, she's living with a new name and has the younger children.

Joan

Hi Joan,I know that her son John(my 2x Gt.Grandfather) married in 1880 in Derby..Her other children were:-Harriett b.1860,Margaret b.1866,Edward b.1868 & Mary b.1876,all born in Derby

I can't even find any marriages for Harriet, Margaret or Edward that fits the approximate timeframe. Is it possible that Emma took the other younger children and left England?

Hi Joan, Yes that's the right one for her husband in 1891,yes she could have been visiting another child in this census on the 1891 census night which weren't on the index ,i hadn't thought of that ! but where is she on the 1881 ? as the John aged 32 on the 1891 census is her eldest surviving child,Not only can i not find Emma on the 1881 but any of her children apart from John

Derbylass.

Do you have any information on the children such as you they married?

Joan

Hi Joan ,yes that's the right one you found on the 1881 census,don't know why it say's he's not married maybe an error on transcription ! but he's married on the 1891.I beleive he was born in Roscommon 1835c

Is this your John Brennan in 1891? It lists him as "married" not widowed.

1891 England Census
about John Brennan
Name: John Brennan
Age: 54
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Father
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil Parish: St Peter
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
Town: Derby
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Derby
Sub registration district: Derby
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Brennan 11
Harriett Brennan 3
John Brennan 32
John Brennan 5
John Brennan 54
Martha Brennan 29
Martha Brennan 7
Sarah A Brennan 9/12

Perhaps Emma was visiting another child during the census. Sometimes I have found people living with other members of the family although they were not on the index of that census.

Joan, I think I found the same as you - unmarried on 1881 - which is true if they never married.

Peter BRENNAN Head M Male 49 Ireland Gen Lab
Bridget BRENNAN Wife M Female 46 Ireland
John BRENNAN Son U Male 21 Derby, England Gen Lab
Ellen BRENNAN Daur U Female 18 Derby, England Factory Hand
Ann BRENNAN Daur U Female 16 Derby, England Factory Hand
Frank BRENNAN Son Male 15 Derby, England Gen Lab
Peter BRENNAN Son Male 11 Derby, England Scholar
Bridget BRENNAN Daur Female 8 Derby, England Scholar
Mary BRENNAN Daur Female 6 Derby, England Scholar
John BRENNAN Boarder U Male 45 Ireland Gimper
Tom BRENNAN Boarder U Male 40 Ireland Gen Labr

Dwelling 11 Court 11 Walker Lane
Census Place Derby All Sts, Derby, England
Family History Library Film 1341815
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3407 / 47
Page Number 16

But where are Emma's children?

Selena

Found this record for a John Brennan born about 1839 in Kilkenny, Ireland, unmarried

1861 England Census
about John Brennan
Name: John Brennan
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Kilkeany, Ireland

Civil Parish: Chesterfield
County/Island: Derbyshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Chesterfield
Sub registration district: Chesterfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 130
Household Members: Name Age
John Brennan 22
John Dearne 20
Bridget Dumphy 26
John Dumphy 3
Mary Dumphy 2
Michael Dumphy 26

Do you know where in Ireland John was born?

joan

Derbylass,

Where did you find John on the 1881 and 1891 census? I found one that was a boarder but it listed him as unmarried on the 1881.

Hi Selena,I have found John on the 1881 & 1891 censusbut not Emma ,Doubt that they got married in Ireland,Emma was born in Derby,and there's a strong possibility that John came over here during the potato famine.

Wonder if the family went to Ireland during the 1881/91 census? Also maybe they married there?

Selena

Hi Joan,Thank you for the info,I have found Emma on the census before she was married it's just the 1881 & 1891 census when she was definately a Brennan that i can't find her.
I did wonder if the marriage was under John Brown & Emma Griffin as John was born in Ireland and may have had a strong accent ! which may have been mistaken for Brown.Don't think Emma was married before as she was born in 1837,which would have made her an extremely young bride first time round