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Hi

Can someone please find this family. I have only these details.

I'm looking for James Hartnell who may have been born around 1790 possibly from the Pitminster Somerset region. He had a son William Hartnell born 1816 who was baptised at St Mary's Church in Pitminster. William's marriage certificate in 1869 states James is a farmer but deceased. William's first marriage was in 1837 just before free bdm records. William Hartnell married Mary Anne Wensley on 29 March 1837 in St John's Church Wellington Somerset
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If anyone can help with James' family that would be great. Thank you. Unfortunately I don't know as yet the name of James' wife.

Regards Kaye

A couple of possibles from the 1861 census


1861 England Census
about James Hartnell
Name: James Hartnell
Age: 67
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1794
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Churchstanton, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Wellington
Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells
Town: Wellington
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Wellington
Sub registration district: Wellington
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 45
Household Members:
Name Age
Hannah Hartnell 70
James Hartnell 67
Thomson Hartnell 30


1861 England Census
about Jas Hartnell
Name: Jas Hartnell
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1789
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Wellington, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Sampford Arundel
Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Wellington
Sub registration district: Wellington
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 2
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann Hartnell 70
Jas Hartnell 72

From 1851 census


1851 England Census
about James Hartnell
Name: James Hartnell
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1792
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Wellington, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Wellington
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Wellington
Sub registration district: Wiveliscombe
ED, institution, or vessel: 3g
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 69
Household Members:
Name Age
William Austin 53
Ann Hartnell 59
James Hartnell 59
Richard Hartnell 15
Sarah Hartnell 18

Hi DiddyDoris, Thank you very much for the Census. I just don't know. I will hang onto this information as it could well be one of these. Can someone please help with 1841 Census for James Hartnell in Somerset.

If someone has CD's or parish info would they be please look for parish register information for the birth of William in 1816 in Pitminster and this might tell me who William's mother was / who James' wife was.

Thank you again, regards Kaye

Hi

Looking at the 1861 Census for Jas Hartnell this could be a likely as his son William resided in Sampford Arundel.

Does the 1861 and 1851 Census for Jas Hartnell or James Hartnell give their residence as 'Holbanes House'? and that Jas/James was a farmer.

Thanks Kaye

nudge please

In the 1861 census James is listed as an Agricultural Labourer living at No 2 Sampford More and living at No 5 is a George, a Farm Labourer, could be another son.


1861 England Census
about George Hartnell
Name: George Hartnell
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Selina
Gender: Male
Where born: Ashbrittle, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Sampford Arundel
Ecclesiastical parish: Bath and Wells
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Wellington
Sub registration district: Wellington
ED, institution, or vessel: 13
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 5
Household Members:
Name Age
George Hartnell 27
James A Hartnell 1
Selina Hartnell 23

Hi DiddyDoris,
Thank you for your reply. I will keep putting it all together to see what I come up with. Thanks again. Will keep on the hunt to work out who James' wife was.

Many thanks Kaye

Hi

Looking at another GR member tree they have James Hartnell c1791 married to Anna. But his tree shows all the children born in the 1830's and no William.

My William Hartnell was born 1816 Pitminster, father James Hartnell. If anyone can help find who the mother was to William I would truly appreciate it. Shame William married in 1837 as he missed out on the 1841 Census with his family and I don't know any other sibling of his. I have searched the net high and low trying to find something on William. If anyone has better research skills than me I would be really grateful.

Regards Kaye

Found this on http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/Pitminster/BapPit.html

Hartnell William 09 Dec 1813 James/Mary, farmer, Combe

Found this site too.

http://www.parkhouse.org.uk/transcr/tcontent.htm

Hi DiddyDoris,

Thank you, they are both great sites with many Hartnell's, appreciate the time you have given to this.

I'm pretty sure William was born in 1816 but will go over all my dates again to make sure. I have a feeling there were two "William" around the same age and locality.

Thanks again
Regards Kaye

I have had a look at the Pitminister Baptisms for St Mary and St Andrews 1649-1886 and the following William's were baptised there:

William baptised 5 Oct 1817 parents William & Hannah
William baptised 9 Dec 1813 parents James & Mary
William baptised 13 Feb 1848 parents William & Elizabeth (not possible due to year of birth)

When reviewing all the Census for my WIlliam they indicate :-
1841 William's b. 1816
1851 b. 1813
1861 b 1817
1881 b 1817
1891 b 1815
1901 b 1816
1901 Death b. 1816 so could be pretty safe assuming his was born 1816.

Can someone please help find the marriage details for James Hartnell and Mary in the Somerset region. Can I please ask also would someone be kind enough to search for the 1841 and 1871 Census for James and Mary, Wellington, Somerset.

From William's second marriage it shows his father was James a Farmer and was deceased by 1869.

Thanking you very much
Regards Kaye

Thanks

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Hi,
A James Hartnell married a Mary Carpenter in St John's Church, Wellington on 4 May 1802.
Eric

Hi Eric,

Thank you, this most certainly could be a possible.

Nudge up for Dea.

Thank you to all that are helping with this search.

Regards Kaye

Hello,

I have just received from some additional information from another researcher who is connected via marriage to William's son / James' grandson John Nott Hartnell.

His information indicates James was born 8 July 1771 and married 04 May 1802 to Mary Carpenter. It shows they had the following children

James b. 1806 Ptiminster
Thomas b. 1809 "
George b.1812 "
William b. 1813 "
Robert b.1818 "
Mary b.1824 "

It appears that my William was 99.9% born in 1813 not 1816 as his Census would have you thinking.

If someone would please be kind enough to have a look for census for James and Mary that would be appreciated.

Thanking you.
Kaye

Hi,

Been working on this 'on and off' all day - something doesn't add up here!

Who did William marry in 1869 and where?

Was his second wife related to his first wife?

Could you give all the details from the wedding cert please?

Do you know when his first wife died?

What happened to children - Robert c 1838 and William c 1841 (Or have I got the wrong one here?)

Do you know of any connection to the name Fouracre?

Dea x

H Dea,

We must be in different time zones. Thank you for your response.

William married Elizabeth Wensley (2nd marriage) in 1869 at St James Westminister (why there I don't know as he lived in Sampford Arundell). From the marriage certificate it states she is a spinster and he a widower both of 'full age'. His occupation 'butcher'. His father James (farmer) deceased, her father William (farmer) deceased. From this relationship they had only one child, Charles born 1871 in Wellington, Somerset. Witnesses on marriage cert are Benjamin Chappell and Elizabeth Duncombe.

William's first and second wife from Census info I have on the Wensley family they appear to be sisters.

The first wife Mary Anne Wensley died in 1866 aged 47 years, she is buried at the Holy Cross Church Sampford (from National Burial Index)

Robert and William died in their first two years of life.

I haven't come across the name Fourace at all during my research.

My current search is more about finding census info on William's parents James and Mary from the Combe area and/or, the area of Honiton.

The only things I have found odd, is why William shaved approx 3 years off his birth age throughout his census and why he married the second time in Westminister. The marriage cert also states that their place of residence is also St James. But the next census has them back in Sampford with some of William's first marriage children living with him.

Hope this helps, stay in touch. If you can help with Census for James and Mary that would be terrific. Appreciate your time helping me.

Kind regards Kaye