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Hello

I'm still in a muddle regarding the James Hartnell who married Mary Carpenter in 1802 at St John's Church, Wellington, Somerset.

Can someone please help me find a census with both James and Mary together. I do wonder if Mary died before 1841 census and James remarried???

Sorry its a bit of read to get to this message. Hope someone can help me on my quest to find James and Mary.

Thanks Kaye

Hi Dea,

Congratulations to you and family!!! Glad all has settled and the news is good.

No rush please - just pleased to hear from you.

Take care, hear from you when you can.

Regards Kaye

Hi Kaye,

So very sorry I have not got back to you - have had a very busy few weeks - Won't go into too much detail but I now have a healthy new grandson - 5 days old !!

His name is Liam and 'mum' has been in and out of hospital for the past few weeks but all is well now.

Still 'helping out' quite a lot with grand-daughter but hopefully, a few more days and I will be back on here 'with a mission' !!

Speak soon,
Dea x

nudge up for Dea

Dea, Hello

I haven't heard back from you, hope everything is ok.

All the best

Kind regards
Kaye

Hi Dea

Thanks for the update, its certainly interesting.

I think that my Mary and James resided in the Awlescombe area because of the baptism of Hartnell, William 09 Dec 1813 James/Mary, farmer, Combe. If I understand correctly is it possible this means the parents resided in Combe.

I haven't come across from my research, from the past or present the names of Milton, Clapp, Fourace, England or Daw.

I have got a hint that James Hartnell born c.1771 could have been a brother of Bishop Hartnell b.1775 at Clayhidon. This Bishop married Joan and my James married Mary Carpenter. As long as I have found the correct James and Mary marriage.

Thanks Dea, appreciate your help. If I can give you any other info please let me know.

Regards Kaye

Hi,

Haven't managed to 'tie it all up ' yet so thought I would post who I am following!

1841:
Mary Hartnell
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1771
Gender: Female
Where born: Somerset, England

Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen
Hundred: Taunton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Taunton
Sub registration district: Taunton St Mary Magdalen
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Hartnell 70


At South Street - Nurse - appears to be sharing a house with:


Elizabeth Louiacte 25 ..........image appears to be Fouracre ??
Emma Louiacte 2
Fanny Louiacte 4
John Louiacte 25




Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 972; Book: 6; Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen; County: Somerset; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 41; Page: 30; Line: 7; GSU roll: 474611.

NB - Nurse to Elizabeth perhaps, who died before 1851, by which time John had remarried to Sarah Clapp in 1846

Death has to be one of these:

Deaths Jun 1844 (>99%)
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FOURACHE Elizabeth Taunton 10 323
FOURACHE Elizabeth Taunton 10 321
FOURACHE Elizabeth Taunton 10 328

Deaths Sep 1844 (99%) ?????????
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FOURACRE Ann Taunton 10 299

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Deaths Dec 1844 (99%) *********
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FOURACRE Fanny Taunton 10 331

Several names seem to keep recurring - do you have any connection to :

Milton, Clapp, Fouracre, England, Daw?

Dea x

P.S. - No Hotel names for Benjamin Chappel on any census - only addresses:

1871 - Swallow Lane,St James.

1881 - 198 Edgeware Rd., Marylebone.

His parents appear to be John + Mary Chappell both c 1811

His grandparents Thomas Chappell + Mary England.

Dea x

Hi Dea,

I'm in Aust. Thank you for your message.

I'm so pleased you may have found a connection as to why William married at St James. You are right, having another closer look at the marriage cert Elizabeth's surname is Buncombe. Do you know which Hotel Benjamin Chappell was a Publican?

There has been mention that James' father was Bishop Hartnell b 1775 at Clayhidon married to Joan. This I haven't found or proven as yet. Still working on James and Mary. I don't have access to Ancestry.

I haven't worked out the mother's maiden name for Mary Ann and Elizabeth Wensley's mother as yet. 'Venn' comes up a lot but from what I have seen its the wrong children. I have seen 'Slape' but haven't proven this.

I don't think I have had so much fun as I am doing this tree. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Regards Kaye

Hi,

Yes, we must be - I am in the UK - where are you?

It IS James + Mary I am looking for - I MAY have found her on 1841 but pure guesswork at the moment - I need to follow all the details through all the census to be able to find the connection.

It is looking hopeful now but needs a lot more work.

I will keep you posted,

Dea x

P.S. - At least I now half understand why they married in Westminster - it was a family connection to the witness Benjamin Chappell who was a Publican in St. James - perhaps he offered his 'Pub' as a venue for the 'do' ??

The other witness - could you check if her name could be Buncombe??

If so, she would probably be Elizabeth + Mary Ann's sister Charlotte's daughter - this helps though to confirm the correct William and Mary Wensley back through the census as there are two of them in the same area at the same time!

Anyway I will re-check all the details and post them as soon as they are sorted.

Dea x

H Dea,

We must be in different time zones. Thank you for your response.

William married Elizabeth Wensley (2nd marriage) in 1869 at St James Westminister (why there I don't know as he lived in Sampford Arundell). From the marriage certificate it states she is a spinster and he a widower both of 'full age'. His occupation 'butcher'. His father James (farmer) deceased, her father William (farmer) deceased. From this relationship they had only one child, Charles born 1871 in Wellington, Somerset. Witnesses on marriage cert are Benjamin Chappell and Elizabeth Duncombe.

William's first and second wife from Census info I have on the Wensley family they appear to be sisters.

The first wife Mary Anne Wensley died in 1866 aged 47 years, she is buried at the Holy Cross Church Sampford (from National Burial Index)

Robert and William died in their first two years of life.

I haven't come across the name Fourace at all during my research.

My current search is more about finding census info on William's parents James and Mary from the Combe area and/or, the area of Honiton.

The only things I have found odd, is why William shaved approx 3 years off his birth age throughout his census and why he married the second time in Westminister. The marriage cert also states that their place of residence is also St James. But the next census has them back in Sampford with some of William's first marriage children living with him.

Hope this helps, stay in touch. If you can help with Census for James and Mary that would be terrific. Appreciate your time helping me.

Kind regards Kaye

Hi,

Been working on this 'on and off' all day - something doesn't add up here!

Who did William marry in 1869 and where?

Was his second wife related to his first wife?

Could you give all the details from the wedding cert please?

Do you know when his first wife died?

What happened to children - Robert c 1838 and William c 1841 (Or have I got the wrong one here?)

Do you know of any connection to the name Fouracre?

Dea x

Hello,

I have just received from some additional information from another researcher who is connected via marriage to William's son / James' grandson John Nott Hartnell.

His information indicates James was born 8 July 1771 and married 04 May 1802 to Mary Carpenter. It shows they had the following children

James b. 1806 Ptiminster
Thomas b. 1809 "
George b.1812 "
William b. 1813 "
Robert b.1818 "
Mary b.1824 "

It appears that my William was 99.9% born in 1813 not 1816 as his Census would have you thinking.

If someone would please be kind enough to have a look for census for James and Mary that would be appreciated.

Thanking you.
Kaye

Hi Eric,

Thank you, this most certainly could be a possible.

Nudge up for Dea.

Thank you to all that are helping with this search.

Regards Kaye

Hi,
A James Hartnell married a Mary Carpenter in St John's Church, Wellington on 4 May 1802.
Eric

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I have had a look at the Pitminister Baptisms for St Mary and St Andrews 1649-1886 and the following William's were baptised there:

William baptised 5 Oct 1817 parents William & Hannah
William baptised 9 Dec 1813 parents James & Mary
William baptised 13 Feb 1848 parents William & Elizabeth (not possible due to year of birth)

When reviewing all the Census for my WIlliam they indicate :-
1841 William's b. 1816
1851 b. 1813
1861 b 1817
1881 b 1817
1891 b 1815
1901 b 1816
1901 Death b. 1816 so could be pretty safe assuming his was born 1816.

Can someone please help find the marriage details for James Hartnell and Mary in the Somerset region. Can I please ask also would someone be kind enough to search for the 1841 and 1871 Census for James and Mary, Wellington, Somerset.

From William's second marriage it shows his father was James a Farmer and was deceased by 1869.

Thanking you very much
Regards Kaye

Thanks

Hi DiddyDoris,

Thank you, they are both great sites with many Hartnell's, appreciate the time you have given to this.

I'm pretty sure William was born in 1816 but will go over all my dates again to make sure. I have a feeling there were two "William" around the same age and locality.

Thanks again
Regards Kaye

Found this site too.

http://www.parkhouse.org.uk/transcr/tcontent.htm

Found this on http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/SOM/Pitminster/BapPit.html

Hartnell William 09 Dec 1813 James/Mary, farmer, Combe