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Hi,
Yes, we must be - I am in the UK - where are you?
It IS James + Mary I am looking for - I MAY have found her on 1841 but pure guesswork at the moment - I need to follow all the details through all the census to be able to find the connection.
It is looking hopeful now but needs a lot more work.
I will keep you posted,
Dea x
P.S. - At least I now half understand why they married in Westminster - it was a family connection to the witness Benjamin Chappell who was a Publican in St. James - perhaps he offered his 'Pub' as a venue for the 'do' ??
The other witness - could you check if her name could be Buncombe??
If so, she would probably be Elizabeth + Mary Ann's sister Charlotte's daughter - this helps though to confirm the correct William and Mary Wensley back through the census as there are two of them in the same area at the same time!
Anyway I will re-check all the details and post them as soon as they are sorted.
Dea x
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Hi Dea,
I'm in Aust. Thank you for your message.
I'm so pleased you may have found a connection as to why William married at St James. You are right, having another closer look at the marriage cert Elizabeth's surname is Buncombe. Do you know which Hotel Benjamin Chappell was a Publican?
There has been mention that James' father was Bishop Hartnell b 1775 at Clayhidon married to Joan. This I haven't found or proven as yet. Still working on James and Mary. I don't have access to Ancestry.
I haven't worked out the mother's maiden name for Mary Ann and Elizabeth Wensley's mother as yet. 'Venn' comes up a lot but from what I have seen its the wrong children. I have seen 'Slape' but haven't proven this.
I don't think I have had so much fun as I am doing this tree. Looking forward to hearing from you.
Regards Kaye
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Hi,
Haven't managed to 'tie it all up ' yet so thought I would post who I am following!
1841:
Mary Hartnell
Age: 70
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1771
Gender: Female
Where born: Somerset, England
Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen
Hundred: Taunton
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England
Street address:
Occupation: View Image
Registration district: Taunton
Sub registration district: Taunton St Mary Magdalen
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Hartnell 70
At South Street - Nurse - appears to be sharing a house with:
Elizabeth Louiacte 25 ..........image appears to be Fouracre ??
Emma Louiacte 2
Fanny Louiacte 4
John Louiacte 25
Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 972; Book: 6; Civil Parish: St Mary Magdalen; County: Somerset; Enumeration District: 8; Folio: 41; Page: 30; Line: 7; GSU roll: 474611.
NB - Nurse to Elizabeth perhaps, who died before 1851, by which time John had remarried to Sarah Clapp in 1846
Death has to be one of these:
Deaths Jun 1844 (>99%)
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FOURACHE Elizabeth Taunton 10 323
FOURACHE Elizabeth Taunton 10 321
FOURACHE Elizabeth Taunton 10 328
Deaths Sep 1844 (99%) ?????????
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FOURACRE Ann Taunton 10 299
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Deaths Dec 1844 (99%) *********
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FOURACRE Fanny Taunton 10 331
Several names seem to keep recurring - do you have any connection to :
Milton, Clapp, Fouracre, England, Daw?
Dea x
P.S. - No Hotel names for Benjamin Chappel on any census - only addresses:
1871 - Swallow Lane,St James.
1881 - 198 Edgeware Rd., Marylebone.
His parents appear to be John + Mary Chappell both c 1811
His grandparents Thomas Chappell + Mary England.
Dea x
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Hi Dea
Thanks for the update, its certainly interesting.
I think that my Mary and James resided in the Awlescombe area because of the baptism of Hartnell, William 09 Dec 1813 James/Mary, farmer, Combe. If I understand correctly is it possible this means the parents resided in Combe.
I haven't come across from my research, from the past or present the names of Milton, Clapp, Fourace, England or Daw.
I have got a hint that James Hartnell born c.1771 could have been a brother of Bishop Hartnell b.1775 at Clayhidon. This Bishop married Joan and my James married Mary Carpenter. As long as I have found the correct James and Mary marriage.
Thanks Dea, appreciate your help. If I can give you any other info please let me know.
Regards Kaye
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nudge up for Dea
Dea, Hello
I haven't heard back from you, hope everything is ok.
All the best
Kind regards
Kaye
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Hi Kaye,
So very sorry I have not got back to you - have had a very busy few weeks - Won't go into too much detail but I now have a healthy new grandson - 5 days old !!
His name is Liam and 'mum' has been in and out of hospital for the past few weeks but all is well now.
Still 'helping out' quite a lot with grand-daughter but hopefully, a few more days and I will be back on here 'with a mission' !!
Speak soon,
Dea x
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Hi Dea,
Congratulations to you and family!!! Glad all has settled and the news is good.
No rush please - just pleased to hear from you.
Take care, hear from you when you can.
Regards Kaye
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Hello
I'm still in a muddle regarding the James Hartnell who married Mary Carpenter in 1802 at St John's Church, Wellington, Somerset.
Can someone please help me find a census with both James and Mary together. I do wonder if Mary died before 1841 census and James remarried???
Sorry its a bit of read to get to this message. Hope someone can help me on my quest to find James and Mary.
Thanks Kaye
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