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hi all,while i was out today my partner, thinks he may of found mary brown aged one living in manchester,1861 census states
john brown aged 26 house painter born scotland
marrion brown aged 24 bleacher born scotland
mary brown aged 1 born scotland ?
address is 17 bugel or angel st manchester,
but it states on 1891 census that mary was born in newcastle,if this is the right family in 1861,that means they moved from newcastle to manchester within 12 months of marys birth,so do you think that marys parents could of married in newcastle,or are they telling the truth and mary was really born in scotland,regards donna

Lost for Words,

That's the same family I listed in 1871

Rose

hi lost for words,both marys parents where from scotland,according to the 1881 census,donna

I know it's another Mary not Marion but what about this one:


1871 census transcription details for: Fontenoy Street, Liverpool
National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG10 Piece: 3770 Folio: 41 Page: 23

Reg. District: Liverpool Sub District: Dale Street
Enum. District: 2K Ecclesiastical District:
Parish: Liverpool City/Municipal Borough: Liverpool
Address: Fontenoy Street, Liverpool
County: Lancashire
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth
Year Occupation, Where Born
BROWN, John Head M 36 1835 Ireland
BROWN, Mary Wife F 34 1837 Scotland
BROWN, Mary Daughter F 12 1859 Lancashire
BROWN, Grace Daughter F 6 1865 Lancashire
BROWN, John Harrison Son M 2 1869 Lancashire

n

hi sylvia,and portland rose,sorry about not replying last nite fell asleep in the chair,i'd had a very busy day yesterday,the brown family in the 1871 census does'nt seem to be the same family as the spouse is down as mary and not marion,i had the same problem finding them in 1871,it does look like you could be right about margaret,if that is the case it looks, like i'll have to put james down as a no go area,and try and find out more about mary parents in scotland,THANKYOU,for all your help,best regards,donna

LfW

Thank you!!

maybe Mary and James didn't marry.

Maybe James left Margaret Ray to be with Mary, and they couldn't get married



sylvia



sylvia

Forget that. Here they are:

1871 England Census
about John Brown
Name: John Brown
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland
Civil Parish: Liverpool
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Condition as to marriage:
Country: England
Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: Dale Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Household schedule number: 129
Household Members: Name Age
John Brown 36
John Harnson Brown 2
Mary Brown 34 Scotland
Mary Brown 10
Rose Brown 6

Rose

Donna,

Do you have the family in 1871? I can't seem to find them.

Rose

hi all,the kids are sorted and tucked up in bed.thankyou for replying,
jill in east kent,
i have found the brown family in the 1881 census they are living in 92 christian street liverpool,and on harriets bith cert in 1884 the address is given as 94 christian street
silvia in canada
thanks for finding james and mary in 1881 census didnt see that one,do you think mary and james didnt marry or could they have got married in scotland,? the annoying thing is that i have found the marriages for mary browns sisters and both were married in liverpool,

Hi Sylvia

Sorry the marriage you found James married Margaret Ray :-)

Lancashire Marriage indexes for the years: 1876
Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference
DIGNUM James RAY Margaret Liverpool, Register Office or Registrar Attended Liverpool REG_LP/154/38

Regards
LfW

choices choices!!


Births Mar 1858 (>99%)

Dignam James Wirral 8a 419

OR

Births Dec 1859 (>99%)

DIGNAM James Liverpool 8b 40



sylvia

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1881 Census

Name: James Dignam
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: 33 Holly St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Carter

Registration district: Liverpool
Sub registration district: Islington
ED, institution, or vessel: 22
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Dignam 22
Mary Dignam 21 b.ca 1860, Liverpool, Lancashire



sylvia

???????????????

Found this one on freebmd



Marriages Jun 1876 (>99%)

Dignum James Liverpool 8b 366
Donoghue Rose Mary Liverpool 8b 366
Ray Margaret Liverpool 8b 366
Withers Charles Ignatius Liverpool 8b 366



Could Mary have been a Donoghue?????????????




sylvia

Wouldn't be surprised if James' surname had been mistranscribed / misheard at time of marriage so be a bit "loose" in the searching.

Might be worth trying to track Mary's mother back a few censuses - perhaps she married again? So that Mary may have had a different name?

Nothing obvious on FreeBMD though ...

Jill

hi all,i have to go and sort kids out for bed,so if you find anymore info for me and i dont reply,please dont think im ignoring you,i will be back as soon as i can,also thankyou all for the help so far,donna

hi portland rose yes i do have harriets birth cert all the details are on the top thread,the only thing i forgot to add was on birth cert it says james is a labouer,donna

Do you have Harriet's birth cert? If not, Mary could have been married before she married James.

Rose