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My GGGm Mary Morris is on 1881 Census RG11Folio5311/74 Pg7.By 1891 only her daughter Elizabeth Morris is there in 2 Gilfach Cynon Merthyr Tydfil.Presumably both her parents died.I believe I have her fathers death certificate the occupation and the age is right.Although the address is slightly different and the informant was his brother.I had sent for a death certificate for her mother,this morning a very kind lady from the registry office rang to check some details and its not my Mary Morris.Question is where do I go from here or do I give up?

NEVER GIVE UP!!!
It took me three years to find one certain person!!

Christine x

No, ...don't give up.
It's not easy with these common Welsh names I know. I'm chasing a Hannah Davies, ... and I'm spoilt for choice, ..Lol

If you are fairly sure on the husband's death certificate, could you use that information to find a burial for him and maybe find his wife buried there too. The cemetery record should give her date of burial / death and hopefully you could then buy the correct certificate.
Have you considered that the mother could have remarried?
We've found some really unexpected marriages of older people who've been widowed.

Gwyn

How did you find them in the end?

Thanks Barbara
Thats the family in 1881
Gwyn I wondered about a second marriage.But why describe Elizabeth as an orphan?

I know her maiden name was Evans.They were already in Merthyr In 1871.We dont know whether they came up as children with their parents or as a young married couple from Carmarthenshire.

I have got that certificate.It is another one I had my doubts about.John Morris 21 Bachelor Farm Servant no Father to Mary Evans 24 Spinster James Evans Labourer Ceremony at an Independent Chapel Witnesses David Jones and William Davies. Residence John Logefach Trelech Mary Plasassa Trelech.

1881 when i try to view the image i cannot see them on the page?

Barbara found them for me. Theyre higher up the page.

Yes i found the transcription page but its not on the image to view the original page unless i am not seeing the names but cannot match the ages either can anyone find them on page 17?

Thats all Ive got.The address is 2 Gilfach Cynon Twynrodyn Merthyr Tydfil.Hope this helps.

Thanks for all that Barbara.Your ideas fit with mine. My doubts about certificates there were no tie ups or real leads.If I have got the right death certificate his brother was called William living in 22 Plymouth street Merthyr.Is it really likely i can find anymore or is that the end of this particular trail?

If you think the marriage index posted is the one then this cert should give fathers names to help confirm them with parents in censuses

Thanks again

looking at place of birth in 1881 census this might be him in 1861?
Name: John Morris
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Treleach AR Bettws
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales


Name: John Morris image widow
Age: 85
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1776
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Treleach AR Bettws
County/Island: Carmarthenshire


Name: Elizabeth Morris image looks like unmarried
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Treleach AR Bettws

same family in 1851 with a William?
Name: John Morris
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1775
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Treleach AR Bettws

Name: Elizabeth Morris
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Treleach AR Bettws

Name: William James
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Treleach AR Bettws

Name: John James
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Treleach AR Bettws

Thanks for that.I think you might have found him.

thanks Barbara thought it was my eyesight!

Don't know if James is surname or middle name for the boys

It all seems to fit.I wonder where the James come from?