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Thanks Barbara
We live in Gloucestershire.Were off to Wales in October so we shall try and visit some of the places found this afternoon.

Barbara You are a star.I really cant believe youve managed to find Mary and her family.Now instead of having a death certificate I shall be sending for a birth certificate. I really cant thank you enough.I didnt expect all this input and such a positive result.

Yes I did know about the Thomas being neighbours.Elizabeth married from there in 1900.What I didnt know about was the James/Morris connection in Plymouth Street.Could be a coincidence I suppose.Thanks for all that information Janice

did you know that the Thomas family(who Elizabeth is living with in 1891) lived next door to the Morris family in 1881

1861 William is with the James familyName: Wm Morris
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Merthyr Tydfil
Town: Merthyr

looks like Plymouth st
Household Members: Name Age
Thos Evans 40 -lodger
Mary James 24
Phoebe James 54
Phoebe James 17
Thos James 26
Wm James 55
Dd Jones 22
Wm Morris 19

I'm back for a short time.
Looking back at page one.1881 for William ties in with early census pages ,Address as on death cert you have for John.
Name: William Morris
Age: 38
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Merthyr Tydfil
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 22 Plymouth St
Occupation: Coal Weigher (Miner

Name: Phoebe James
Age: 72
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1809
Relation: Housekeeper
Gender: Female
Where born: Eglwysnewydd, Pembrokeshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Merthyr Tydfil
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: 22 Plymouth St
Condition as to marriage: Windower
So looks like you may be looking at a marriage cert for John with no fathers name entered

Hi Barbara
Marys Father on the marriage certificate is James Farm Labourer.1881 Census birthplace Celyrhedyn/Kilrhedyn for Mary.Does this help?

On the image is there any address?

Don't see a death index for Mary between 1881-1891 so wonder if she did marry again?

looking at the image William may be William James Morris (Morris wasn't written down though)
John written under William has" do " under the name James

It all seems to fit.I wonder where the James come from?

Don't know if James is surname or middle name for the boys

thanks Barbara thought it was my eyesight!

Thanks for that.I think you might have found him.

same family in 1851 with a William?
Name: John Morris
Age: 76
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1775
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Treleach AR Bettws

Name: Elizabeth Morris
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Treleach AR Bettws

Name: William James
Age: 9
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Treleach AR Bettws

Name: John James
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish or Township: Treleach AR Bettws

looking at place of birth in 1881 census this might be him in 1861?
Name: John Morris
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Treleach AR Bettws
County/Island: Carmarthenshire
Country: Wales


Name: John Morris image widow
Age: 85
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1776
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Treleach AR Bettws
County/Island: Carmarthenshire


Name: Elizabeth Morris image looks like unmarried
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Trelech, Carmarthenshire, Wales

Civil Parish or Township: Treleach AR Bettws

Thanks again

If you think the marriage index posted is the one then this cert should give fathers names to help confirm them with parents in censuses

Thanks for all that Barbara.Your ideas fit with mine. My doubts about certificates there were no tie ups or real leads.If I have got the right death certificate his brother was called William living in 22 Plymouth street Merthyr.Is it really likely i can find anymore or is that the end of this particular trail?

Thats all Ive got.The address is 2 Gilfach Cynon Twynrodyn Merthyr Tydfil.Hope this helps.