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This is my grandfather, he devorced my grandmother at some point. They were married in Uppingham, Rutland in 1942, All I have is that he was born 1918 !. His RAF no' is 905292. His father was Herbert Harry and MOther Muriel E Vincent. Can anyone HELP

Rebecca bryce

What else do you wish to know?

I doubt if he was born in England......no marriage on freebmd for the names given for his parents..........

Hi Rebecca,

I think Bernard is my uncles father, would you be able to inbox me please.

Darealjolo, it's 10 years since Rebecca posted so is unlikely to be looking for replies ( especially as she didn't return to the thread) click on her name to message her , if she still has the same email she'll be notified and able to reply.

Sometimes one can't resist ...

Did Bernard's parents marry only one year before he did??

Marriages Sep 1942
Broadway Alice D -Vincent- Uppingham 7a 975
Vincent Bernard R -Broadway- Uppingham 7a 975
- note that the image says Bernard B, not Bernard R

Marriages Sep 1941
BOW Muriel E -VINCENT- East Ham 4a 363
Vincent Herbert H -Bow- E. Ham 4a 363

Seems unlikely ... there were Vincent-Bow births through the 1940s/50s.


Two deaths for Bernard Vincent born 1918

Bernard Walter Vincent 3 Aug 1918 - Dec 1972 Sheffield Yorkshire West Riding

Bernard Harry J Vincent 21 May 1918 - Nov 1989 Bath Avon

the matching births:

Births Sep 1918
Vincent Bernard W mother Darwin Sheffield 9c 936

Births Jun 1918
Vincent Bernard H J mother Welsford Wells 5c 558

BHJ Vincent (name seems possible) married Violet Vaughn 1943 Bath

Obviously neither of those births have parents who match the info in the OP.

I hope Rebecca has got it sorted out since then!



Darealjolo, if he was your uncle's father, your uncle must be your aunt's husband?


Quite a few people have a Bernard Vincent 1918 in their trees here

https://www.genesreunited.co.uk/tree/results/vincent/bernard?yearofbirth=1918

some with no place of birth, some with Uppingham, so one suspects that those entries are the same man. Several of them also have

Alice Broadway 1916 Uppingham,Rutland

and one has

Herbert Vincent 1895 Unknown

His death:

Herbert Harry Vincent 9 May 1895 - Jun 1972 Cheltenham Gloucestershire

Births Jun 1895 ?
Vincent Herbert Harry Islington 1b 328


1911 in Battersea

Harry Thomas Vincent 42
Minnie Vincent 40
Herbert Harry Vincent 15
Albert Cyril Vincent 7

One person has in their tree at this site:

Albert Vincent 1903 14 Charlwood Place, Pimlico, London



There is no Herbert H Vincent marriage between 1911 and 1926.

The spouse in the 1926 marriage in Bournemouth was:

Births Jun 1898
GAME Daisy Ethel Christchurch 2b 660

Daisy Ethel Vincent 29 May 1898 - Sep 1969 Exeter Devon

I wonder whether that couple had children before marriage ...

Births Mar 1915
GAME Herbert C Game Ongar 4a 1023
Births Dec 1916 (died March Q 1918)
Game Harry W S Game Billericay 4a 1117
Births Jun 1917
Game Ellen F Game W.Ham 4a 445
Births Dec 1918
Game Ethel M Game Ongar 4a 680
Births Dec 1919
Game Harry F M Game Bromley 2a 1064

... the names certainly fit! But no Bernard.


1939 register

Herbert H Vincent 1902 (no such 1902 birth; 1903 only)
Daisy E Vincent 1898
1 more person who is officially closed

The 1939 register shows no Bernard Vincent born between 1915 and 1920, and no Bernard B Vincent.

A 1942 marriage does suggest wartime ... and possibly a man not born in England.


I wondered about

Name: Herbert Vincent
Birth Date: abt 1895
Age: 32
Port of Departure: Rangoon, Burma
Arrival date: 7 May 1927
Port of Arrival: London, England
Ports of Voyage: Colombo
occupation: Accountant
country of last permanent residence: Iraq

but NO, that was very probably Herbert Basil Vincent 1895 who has another passenger record from the East.



I give up! :-)

For info, the only birth/marriage/death record of a Bernard B Vincent (other than the mistranscribed marriage above) is

Marriages Jun 1948
Vincent Bernard B - Jones - Harrow 5f 1044

so there does seem to have been a divorce, or at least a remarriage (Alice remarried later as well).The second wife's name is far too common to identify her birth/death or previous marriage, or any children of that marriage.

His marriage certificates seem to be the essential place to start for any more info (age and father's name he reported).

......

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name: Bernard Baynard Vincent
Residence: 1968 - city, Werriwa, New South Wales, Australia
Name: Margaret Vincent
Residence: 1968 - city, Werriwa, New South Wales, Australia

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name: Bernard Baynard Vincent
Residence: 1972 - city, Macquarie, New South Wales, Australia

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name: Bernard Baynard Vincent
Residence: 1977 - city, Chifley, New South Wales, Australia

Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980
Name: Bernard Baynard Vincent
Residence: 1980 - city, Richmond, New South Wales, Australia



Midlands, England, Electoral Registers, 1832-1955
Name: Bernard B Vincent + Margaret Vincent
Year: 1950
Street address: 15 SOUTHWOLD AVENUE
Residence Place: Birmingham



https://trove.nla.gov.au/result?q=bernard+baynard+vincent

Government Gazette of the State of New South Wales (Sydney, NSW : 1901 - 2001)

APPOINTMENTS ON PROBATION
Department of Technical Education
Mr Bernard Baynard Vincent, Teacher of Building Certificate, 10th May, 1965.

CONFIRMATION OF APPOINTMENTS
Department of Technical Education
Mr Bernard Baynard Vincent

RETIREMENTS
5th May, 1978. Bernard Baynard Vincent, Technical Teacher

I had to laugh hysterically, JC -

" . . . . if he was your uncle's father, your uncle must be your aunt's husband?"

Ahem, ArgyllGran. :-)

He must have been the father of the *biological* aunt's husband, i.e. of Darealjolo's uncle-in-law!

Because if Bernard was the father of her *biological* uncle, he would be Darealjolo's parent's father, too, i.e. Darealjolo's grandfather!

I don't tend to describe my grandfather as my uncle's father. :-D


... Now, the other possibility is that Darealjolo's uncle has a different father from her parent, and so her parent and her uncle are half-siblings ... true.

And that might just be the case here, given that Bernard's first wife remarried ...

Looking at whitepages.com.au, there's someone with surname Vincent in Mullumbimby, where Bernard Baynard was in 1980.

Just possibly a relation?

Yes, I know what you meant, JC - it just sounded funny. Sorry!

Worth a try!

I don't have worldwide Ancestry at the moment so I couldn't narrow it down and home in.


And I should have known that question of mine was going to look a tad silly.

:-D

Also just to note that NSW births in Australia are searchable only up to today's date in 1918, so if he was born after March 21 that year in NSW, his birth can not yet be found on a search. There was a Bernard Vincent born to a Paul and Muriel in NSW in 1917, but that's likely coincidence.

Deaths after 1988 aren't searchable.

And Ryerson Index doesn't show any obituaries that fit.

Hi,
To those asking about my uncle, Bernard is not his biological father, Bernard adopted my uncle Robert and some other children and moved to Australia.
I am trying to find my uncle who is my mums brother, i have been trying to locate him for 20 years plus and only recently found out that he was adopted and taken to Australia. I since found his new name and an address for him, have sent letters, no reply :( now his sister is saying that he has passed away but no evidence of this, have been looking along with a friend and nothing so im not sure what else i can do.

I will message Rebecca

Joanne

Hi Joanne, do you want to tell us your uncle's present name so we can see whether we can find any info to help locate him or his family? His year of birth (not date, just year), or approx age, would help as well.

When you say his sister, is this another child of Bernard Vincent (i.e. not a member of your uncle's birth family)?

I guess you weren't expecting help from others here or you would have mentioned Australia. But I got there in the end! :-D

Valerie, one of the members here, hasn't visited this thread because the opening post doesn't indicate Australia. She usually recommends trying the "Ask a Librarian" service in Australia. Hold on, I'll hunt up one of her recent posts ...

Okay rats, I thought she gave a link, but the info is just that the state library for NSW has an online "Ask a Librarian" service that will check electoral rolls.

Here's a link, if NSW is the right location. The other states have the service too.

http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/research-and-collections/ask-librarian

Hi

My uncle's present name is, Robert Malcolm Vincent. Was Robert William Harvell when born in 1952 Ealing.
Yes sorry, sister who was also adopted and a brother. Not blood related.
Thought i would mention Australia in case Rebecca's Bernard is same one.
I have electoral roll information for the 80s only.

Joanne

It certainly seems that Rebecca's Bernard is the same one -- he appears on the electoral rolls in Australia by his undoubtedly unique full name. Do try sending her a private message if you haven't. You can look in your Sent Messages folder to see whether it has been read - if the envelope still appears beside it, she has not opened it.


The "Ask a Librarian" service can give you up to date electoral roll info, I believe.

No obituary for Robert Malcolm Vincent appears at
http://ryersonindex.net/search.php

This seems to be the most recent internet result for his full name:

http://accesspoint.com.au/abn/83661642326

Possibly a little more useful:

https://abr.business.gov.au/SearchByAbn.aspx?abn=83661642326

"Trading name: Hawell Services"

(edit -- could that be a misreading of Harvell?)

There is a 1998 reference to him here with another person's name residing at the same address:

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/119756651/

I don't have any subscriptions to view newspaper archives; others here do, and as you can see, the scanned transcription says (it's 20 years old so I'll assume it's out of date, from what you say):

"Anne Macdonald Jones and Robert Malcolm Vincent Creditors are required to send particulars of their claims upon the Estate to TRUST COMPANY OF AUSTRALIA LTD.. Ann Macdonald Jones and Robert Malcolm Vincent of 80-84 New South Head Road. Edgecliff. N S W. 2027"

There is one RM Vincent in white pages in Australia, have you tried that?

https://www.whitepages.com.au/residential/results?name=vincent&location=New%20South%20Wales&givenName=r

(keep loading more til you get to RM)

Hang on, the two corporate info sites put him (if that is him) in QLD 4580

and there is an RM listing near there, here:

https://www.whitepages.com.au/residential/results?name=vincent&location=QLD%204580&givenName=r

If this isn't info you already have, could be worth trying.

I have sent a message to Rebecca, yes i will keep looking to see if gets read or not, fingers crossed it does :)

Thank you for all this information, i will look at links now.

Have looked for obituary but as the year was 2015 i was told, nothing comes up.

The person named with RM Vincent re the estate claim is shown here:

https://abr.business.gov.au/SearchByAbn.aspx?abn=14557091261

And this is the business associated:

https://tinyurl.com/y7jqu62t

It seems no longer to be active, but there is contact info there and you could try that.

Possibly current contact info here (same tel no.):

http://www.burrawangvillage.com/contact

that tel. no. is current:

https://www.whitepages.com.au/residential/results?name=jones&location=Burrawang,%20NSW%202577&givenName=a

Don't know what the connection is other than that they were both apparently heirs of a deceased person and were said to be at the same address, in 1998. Google shows that 1998 address to be offices.