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Could someone please let me have the 1851 census info for the following family.

1861??


FOX, Henry W Head Married M 43 1818 House Painter
Rotherhithe
Surrey
FOX, Caroline Wife Married F 40 1821 Seamstress
St Georges
Middlesex
FOX, George Son M 10 1851 Scholar
Clerkenwell
Middlesex
FOX, Emma Daughter F 14 1847 Seamstress
Clerkenwell
Middlesex
FOX, James William Father In Law Widower M 66 1795 Traveller
Surrey

RG number:
RG09 Piece:
334 Folio:
81 Page:
18

Registration District:
St George Southwark Sub District:
3 London Road EnumerationDistrict:
14 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Paul

Civil Parish:
St George Municipal Borough:
Address:
44, Little Duke Street, St George County:
London, Surrey

Thank you.

Nicki

I have tried to find them but no luck, sorry.

Just to add, looking at the image I think the father in law's surname should be Williams or Williamson.

Christine

Thanks for trying Christine.

I wonder if anyone else could please see if they can find the Fox family for me.

Nicki

I have been looking for a while too Nicki. I have to nip out, but may get chance to look later.

Christine

Thank you.

Nicki

nudging for Nicki hoping someone can help

Hi Nicki,
something to think about whilst I'm at work...

I found a Henry Fox (Fax)- painter - married to Frances...

Name: Henry Fax
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Frances
Gender: Male
Where born: Lambeth, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Camberwell
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

View Image

Registration district: Camberwell
Sub registration district: Dulwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 22

and on the 1841...
Name: Henry Fox
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Gender: Male
Where born: Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Hundred: Brixton (Eastern Division)
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Kennington First
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles Fox 45
Sarah Fox 45
Augusta Fox 20
Henry Fox 20...painter
Charlotte Fox 15

Well I have to admit I am now well confused!! If the same family where is Emma?

Should I be looking for a death for Frances and a marriage to Caroline?

Grateful for any help to sort this mystery.

Nicki

Marriages Sep 1858 ??

Fox Henry William W London 1c 72
Gadsby Caroline W London 1c 72

Will look for a death for Frances.

Nicki

Hi Nicki

Could this be Emma visiting someone with her Grandmother ? .. just a thought.

Name EMMA FOX
Age 5
Estimated Year of Birth 1846
Relationship to Head of Household VISITOR
Occupation
Address 18 Easton Street
District Clerkenwell, Clerkenwell
Parish
Administrative County London
Birth Place London
Birth County MIDDLESEX

Enoch J Bolland? Head M 33 Shopman Hull, Yorks
M.A. Bolland Wife M 30 Middlesex, London
**May Fox Visitor W 60 Middlesex, London

Melanie

Nicki,
what Melanie has found is the same record I pmd you. Sorry I haven't been able to look for a while - internet at home gone down again!

Hi Melanie & Crystaltips.

Appreciate your help.

Confuddled though ....

Nicki

I think you may have to get the marriage cert. of Henry to Caroline Gadsby, or Emma's birth certificate to help you become unconfuddled!

There is Emma Fox, born June quarter 1846 in Clerkenwell
... and looking for a marriage of Henry Fox to Frances there is a possible one in Camberwell, -but that is March quarter 1847

not sure how James Williams(on), father-in-law on the 1861 fits in. If Caroline had been married before, I haven't yet found a Gadsby/Williams(on)marriage. Could it mean stepfather?

Hi Crystal Tips

Thanks.

Have just submitted the order for Emma's birth certificate. Will let you know what it says when it arrives.

Hopefully confusion will no longer reign when it arrives!!

Nicki

Hi Nicki,
It's possible that it's the wrong Emma - there is Emma Fox, b1846 in Clerkenwell, on the 1851 census the daughter of Charles and Agnes.

I've been trying to find a connection with Henry and Mary Fox the visitor along with Emma. (Enoch Bolland married Mary Ann Fox)

Emma Fox married William Tapping (on a later census it gives Emma's birth place as Clerkenwell).

Marriages Jun 1865

Tapping William Newington 1d 307
Fox Emma Newington 1d 307


Here they are on 1871 - (and there is another Emma Fox!! - What have I done!!) I have Robert William's birth cert which shows his mother as Emma formerly Fox.

TAPPING, William Head M 40 1831 Hertfordshire
TAPPING, Emma Wife F 28 1843 Middlesex
TAPPING, William Son M 3 1868 Middlesex
TAPPING, Eliza Daughter F 0 1871 Middlesex
FOX, Emma Servant F 15 1856 Middlesex

RG number:
RG10 Piece:
116 Folio:
57 Page:
15

Registration District:
St George Hanover Square Sub District:
Belgrave EnumerationDistrict:
53 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St George Hanover Square Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
Commercial Road, St George Hanover Square, Westminster County:
London, Middlesex


Well lost now........................!!! Have I got totally the wrong Tapping family?

Nicki

Hi Nicki,
so that marriage certificate is next!
I've been looking for where the parish registers are held - it seems the libraries and staff at Woking and Guildford have been moving.

I'll copy and paste the a link which shows Newington in Southwark

http://www.southwark.anglican.org/parishes/abc_idx.htm#N

it may mean a telephone call, but you may be able to get a copy of the original at a fraction of the cost.

I quite often do lookups for people on local parish records (sorry I'm nowhere near London!) It's free to look and make a note of all the information on a certificate, and 30p-50p to get a printout. Sometimes they will provide a service to send it out to you and charge a small admin fee.

Let me know how you get on!

I now have the marriage certificate of William Tapping to Emma Fox -
(St Mary, Newington, Surrey - Jun 1865)

Both residing at Cole St., Newington

William's father - Caleb Tapping (Wainwright)
Emma's father - William Fox (House decorator)

Witnesses - Robert Fox & Mary Ann Fox (not yet sure where they fit into how they are related to Emma??)


Also - how does this marriage fit with what you previously found?

Marriages Dec 1840
BOLLAND Enoch St. Pancras 1 299
FOX Mary Ann St. Pancras 1 299

And to add to the confusion -

Marriage for Joseph Tapping and Mary Ann Fox on 19th Apr 1829 at St Saviour Southwark (IGI) which look likes it is the marriage of William's parents. So are the Fox families related?


Is it now possible to narrow down Emma on the relevant census returns? As it now looks highly likely that my original 1861 posting is completely wrong!!

Nicki

It would be good if someone else could help Nicki out on this one. There may be a few red herrings, but now that she has the marriage certificate ...

I've got family in hospital, so won't be able to spend as much time as I would like looking at census records for Nicki, so by way of a 'nudge' is there any one else who can help out? Thanks

Thanks for the nudge Crystal.

Really need some help folks. I am trying to do a family tree portrait/presentation as a gift for my father-in-law for his 80th birthday on 22 November, so I have about 3 weeks or so to tie up the loose ends.

Really appreciate if someone can help.

Thanks
Nicki