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yes that is them,so poor jessie was left with her grandmother while her own mother married and had another family,that poor woman isabella she was a widow and left to bring up all her grandchildren,she brought up my g grandfather andrew as well,she was dead about6 yrs later. once again thank you liz.x

Is this not them in 1891?



1891 Scotland Census
about Jessie Ann McDonald
Name: Jessie Ann McDonald
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relationship: Grand Daur (Granddaughter)
Gender: Female
Where born: Knockando, Morayshire
Registration Number: 139
Registration district: Knockando
Civil Parish: Knockando
County: Moray
Address: Main St
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 48
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1891_39
Household Members:
Name Age
Ann McDonald 32
Gabella McDonald 67
Isabella McDonald 34
Jane McDonald 4
Jessie Ann McDonald 10

i wonder where her first child jessie is?she would have been only 11 in 1892,shes not with her grandmother isabella because isabella is living with her daughter ann in the 1891 census. and ive just remembered that i saw william grants gravestone in a church yard in knockando when i went to the highlands last wk,how weird.i cant thank you enough for all your help.x

Her marriage

No Year Surname (M) Forename (M) Surname (F) Forename (F) District City/County/MR GROS Data
1 1892 BATCHEN WILLIAM MACDONALD ELIZABETH KNOCKANDO /MORAY 139/00 0001


Liz

william grant was i think isabellas brother.x

Here's William Batchen in 1881. I wonder if William Grant is anything to do with Elizabeth's mum, Isabella?


1881 Scotland Census
about William Grant
Name: William Grant
Age: 73
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1808
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Helen
Gender: Male
Where born: Knockando, Morayshire
Registration Number: 145
Registration district: Aberlour
Civil Parish: Aberlour
County: Banffshire
Address: House No 13
Occupation: Master Carpenter Auptman
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 21
Line: 13
Roll: cssct1881_42
Household Members:
Name Age
William Batchen 35
Robert Davidson 28
Helen Grant 69
Magdalen Grant 32
William Grant 73



1901 with family



1901 Scotland Census
about William Batchen
Name: William Batchen
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Boharm, Banff
Registration Number: 147B
Registration district: Boharm
Civil Parish: Boharm
County: Banffshire
Address: Maggieknockater
Occupation: Carpenter
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 21
Line: 19
Roll: CSSCT1901_43
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Batchen 46
Elizabeth Taylor Batchen 8
William Batchen 57
William John Batchen 6

that looks good as well,wish i could find her date of marriage though,she named her daughter,jessie,ann,edward mcdonald,we though maybe the edward was after the father?we know she was unmarried and living at home when the child was born,ive got them on the 1881.well thanks again for your hard work.x

Buried in Knockando cemetery.


Biography Details
Reference No.:
NM103081
Surname:
MCDONALD
Forename(s):
ISABELLA
Maiden Name:
GRANT
Occupation:

Date of Birth:
c. 1824
Place of Birth:

Father's Name:

Mother's Name:

Biography:


Marriage Details
Spouse's Name:
JOHN MCDONALD
Date of Marriage:

Place of Marriage:

Married by:
Marriage Narrative:
PARENTS OF ISABELLA & HELEN & ANN & JANE MCDONALD

Death Details
Date of Death:
1898
Age:

Headstone Ref:
Kn148
Place of Death:

Parish Register:

Death Narrative:

alviegal,
your a star,ive been looking for her for ages,couldnt even find her when i went up to scotland,its funny though that 10yrs before on her daughters birth cert she was down as a housekeeper,maybe fallen on hard times and had to take what work she could.thanks again.x

And look at this. It may just be a huge coincidence though.

Reference No.:
NM012761
Surname:
BATCHEN
Forename(s):
ELIZABETH
Maiden Name:
MCDONALD
Occupation:

Date of Birth:
c. 1855
Place of Birth:

Father's Name:

Mother's Name:

Biography:


Marriage Details
Spouse's Name:
WILLIAM BATCHEN CARPENTER MAGGIEKNOCKATER
Date of Marriage:

Place of Marriage:

Married by:

Marriage Narrative:
PARENTS OF ELIZABETH
Death Details
Date of Death:
24 SEP 1938
Age:
83
Headstone Ref:
Bh57
Place of Death:

Parish Register:

Death Narrative:


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copy of gravestone inscription in "Monumental Inscriptions" Boharm Churchyard p11 compiled by the Moray Burial Ground Research Group - L 929.5

Possible? It's a common name though.


1891 Scotland Census
about Elizabeth McDonald
Name: Elizabeth McDonald
Age: 36
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1855
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Knockando, Morayshire
Registration Number: 128A
Registration district: Boharm
Civil Parish: Boharm
County: Banffshire
Address: Arndilly House Farm
Occupation: Dairymaid
ED: 1
Household schedule number: 47
Line: 5
Roll: CSSCT1891_36
Household Members:
Name Age
Agnes Batchen 8
Agnes Tait Batchen 48
Alexander Batchen 52
Alick Batchen 10
Bessie Batchen 13
William Batchen 6
George Catnach 25
James Cruickshank 15
Elizabeth McDonald 36
John McDonald 18
Lewis Sime 20

yes andrew is helens son and my g g grandfather,jessie is elisabeths daughter,both girls were unmarried which im told was common in the highlands and not at all frowned upon.x

thats it i think,went to scotland last wk to do research and forres is not far from where she was born and brought up.thank you.x only elizabeth to find in the 1891 census now.x

Is this the right family in 1881? Is Andrew perhaps Helen's son?


1881 Scotland Census
about Isabella McDonald
Name: Isabella McDonald
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relationship: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Knockando, Morayshire
Registration Number: 139
Registration district: Knockando
Civil Parish: Knockando
County: Moray
Address: South-Side West-End
Occupation: Crofter (Farming 5 Acres)
ED: 6
Household schedule number: 43
Line: 4
Roll: cssct1881_40
Household Members:
Name Age
Andrew McDonald 9
Annie McDonald 22
Isabella McDonald 57
Isabella McDonald 24
Jessie A E McDonald 2 Mo
Lizzie McDonald 26

This is the closest I could find for Helen. Don't know if it's her though.


1871 Scotland Census
about Helen McDonald
Name: Helen McDonald
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848
Relationship: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Elginshire
Registration Number: 137B
Registration district: Forres Landward
Civil Parish: Forres
County: Moray
Address: Edge Hill
Occupation: General Serv
ED: 2
Household schedule number: 9
Line: 21
Roll: CSSCT1871_25
Household Members:
Name Age
Isabella Draime 23
Edith Hunter 10 Mo
Elizabeth Hunter 31
William B Hunter 27
Helen McDonald 23



Liz

marion, i do subscribe to scotlands people,but im having trouble viewing because i cant install the adobe reader,its so frustrating.x

marion, no she wasnt married in 1871,i cant find her in any census,but i have got the birth cert of her daughter born in 1881 and she was unmarried and working as a house keeper.x

yes that does look like elizabeth,thank you so much..will try the other census years and have a look.x

For reference only


1851 Scotland Census
about Heten McDonald
Name: Heten McDonald
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Isabetta
Gender: Female
Where born: Knockando, Moraysh
Parish Number: 139
Civil Parish: Knockando
Town: Archiestown
County: Moray
Address: Session Mame
ED: 4
Page: 11 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 56
Line: 3
Roll: CSSCT1851_32
Household Members:
Name Age
Heten McDonald 5
Isabetta McDonald 27
James McDonald 8 Mo
John McDonald 35 b Alves, crofter
John McDonald 3

Was she married by 1871?

Marion