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Have just started tracing family lines and haven't quite got the hang of the searches yet! Could anybody spare some time to give me a jump start by tracing great grandparents:
William Williams born 1876 St Claires, Wales
Mary Jane Davies born 1876 Abergele, Wales (died 1920).
Would be greatly appreciated.
bob

From their marriage cert what are their dads names & occupation, also when did they marry

Thanks for the comments - unfortunately I don't have the marriage records (part of the problem).
sorry, but what is a free bmd??

FreeBMD is a site where you can look up births, marriages and deaths which have been transcribed from the index and you can just put in a name and date and it brings up any results. Free BMD goes from 1837 to about the mid 1920's but it is not complete. Worth looking at first as it is quicker than searching the complete index.

Unfortunately for you there are dozens of marriages between a William Williams and a Mary Davies at about the time they would be likely to get married.

Do you know when and where the first of their children was born?

Kath. x

If you don't have their marriage cert how have you their names

Was it from one of their childrens names

thanks again for responses all.
I got their names from my Dad basically. Spotted the web adress about 2 seconds after posting my last response - nece where I have been for last 20 minutes - thank you. However.... still no hits - not even on my grandad who's details I do have complete!! Hey ho - keep trying.
bob

Possible marriage...

Name: Mary Jane Davies
Year of Registration: 1901
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Holywell
County: Flintshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 421 (click to see others on page)


>>> Mary Jane Davies 1901 Holywell Flintshire

Thomas Edward Jones 1901 Holywell Flintshire

Lydia Caroline Parry 1901 Holywell Flintshire

>>>William Williams 1901 Holywell Flintshire

Linda

Thanks Linda - will check it out.
bob

The nearest possible birth I can find for Mary Jane Davies b1876 is....

Name: Mary Jane Davies
Year of Registration: 1877
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: St Asaph
County: Denbighshire, Flintshire
Volume: 11b
Page: 345 (click to see others on page)

Abergele comes under the registration district of St Asaph.

There are also births in 1878,1879 and 1880.

Holywell is not far from Abergele.

Whereabout is St Claires ?

My 3x and 4x gt grandfathers were both William Williams....enough said lol.

Linda

Thank you so much Linda for your help.

Having rechecked with my dad, I think St Clare may have been the establishment rather than the town. I do know he lieved in Pontypridd when he was married to Mary Jane as that was where my grandad Walter was born in 1902/3.

I guess this is the fun of tracing Welsh ancestory!

appreciatively
bob

Linda,
you may have been more help than you know!
There is a marriage record in 1901 between a Mary Jane Davies and William Williams registered at Holywell!
bob

Hi Robert...

That is the marriage that I added to this thread.

St Claire's being an establishment makes sense...there was a St Clare's Convent in Holywell and in it's day was an orphanage.

Linda

Possible 1901 Wales census...although it doesn't exactly tie in with St Clares ??

Name: William John Williams
Age in 1901: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John Edward
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Holywell, Flintshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Holywell
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Holywell
County/Island: Flintshire
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Holywell
Sub registration district: Holywell
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 149
Household Members
James Littler Williams 23
Alfred Edward Williams 21
John Edward Williams 53
Joseph Henry Williams 16
Mary Williams 54
Mary Catherine Williams 15
William John Williams 25

William's occupation is plasterer...if this helps

Linda

Hi Linda,
followed your lead on the google, he may have been registered under pentasaph which is the local parish St Clare is in?
the latest link you posted I am fairly sure is not mine, as my dad is adament that his name was only William Williams (apparently he was so fed up with how many there were at the time he went by the name of 'Tudor' just too be different!).
I do really appreciate your help and effort - hadn't realised that some people 'out there' would be so productive on other people behalf, can't praise yu enough.
gratefully
bob

If you get your grandfather Walter Williams birth cert it will have place of birth and his fathers name and occupation.

You can then look for his father in 1901.

If your grandfather Walter died after 1969 it will have his date of birth on the reg ref.

Thanks Margaret. Unfortunately he died in Australia some years ago having emigrated in the 60's and I don;t have access to his death stuff. I will chase down the birth certificate and work from there.
bob

Oh the joys of looking for William Williams in Wales thank goodness mine had the sense and move to Staffordshire lol.

A possible for Mary Jane Davies 1881 Wales census..

Name: Mary Davies
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Eliza
Gender: Female
Where born: Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales

Civil Parish: Abergele
County/Island: Denbighshire
Country: Wales

Street address: 3 Twllwynog
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: St Asaph
Sub registration district: Abergele
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Anne Davies 3
Eliza Davies 35
Elizabeth Davies 13
Emma Davies 11
John Davies 34
John Davies 7
Mary Davies 5

Linda

Perhaps someone can look for a death for Walter.

Any idea where he would have died?

Linda - I think its brill that you haven't given up on mine yet!!!
That census is close to what I do have, but not the same. The entire details I have for Mary jane is that her parents were called John and Miriam, and MJ had siblings called Robert, Martha, Emma, Ellis and Elizabeth. And thats the full extent of my limited scope on that side so far!
Bob

Margaret,
I know Walter died in Adelaide, Australia in April 1985.
bob