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1861
John Wainwright
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Gender: Male
Where born: London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Chelsea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 3 Little Exeter Street

Occupation:Theatrical Proffesion

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: Chelsea
Sub registration district: Chelsea North East
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 312
Household Members: Name Age
James Wainwright 30 Head...Picture frame maker
John Wainwright 22
Richard Wainwright 20 Gilder.

Brothers?.....all are unmarried


Nicky

birth certificate for John ordered as suggested by Nickydownsouth arrived today.

Births Dec 1841
Denford John Chelsea 3 41

Confirms it is the brother of George. And confirms mother's maiden name as 'SEAWELL'.

Seems odd that they cannot be found on a census together .......................

Any one prepared to have another look?

Thanks

Nicki

Thanks mgnv

Appreciate your help.

I did realise that - I posted it so that it could be seen that it had been mistransribed. Sorry for not making that clearer.

Thanks again.

Nicki

Nicki - your 1871 transcription doesn't match the image:

1871 England Census
Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square
Ecclesiastical parish: Hanover Square
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 15 Robert St
Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub registration district: Hanover Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 6a
Household schedule number: 244

George Densford 35 Chelsea, Middlesex, England Head M Painter
Leah Densford 28 Watlington, Oxfordshire, England Wife M
Emmily E Densford 8 St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England Daughter Scholar
Louisa Densford 4 St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England Daughter Scholar
Mary Densford 1 St George Hanover Square, Middlesex, England Daughter

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 93; Folio: 58; Page: 36; GSU roll: 824587.

Densford looks more like Denford - there are 5 other households at this address involving 2,3,2,2,1 other people

Another piece of the puzzle solved thanks to LFW & Barry. Cannot thank you both enough.


Marriage 30 March 1834

George Denford to Maria Seywell

Barry has just emailed me the following -

Maria Denford death 1878 age 70
Death registered at:
Marylebone Vol 1a Page 407

So, it looks like Maria did not marry Mr Wainright ....

Nicki

Nudged, to see if anyone can add anything else that may provide some answers to this frustrating search.

Really appreciate it.

Nicky thanks for trying to find John on the census. Very odd that Maria & John Wainwright have also vanished.

Nicki

I tried to find John on a census yesterday without sucess......... also tried for William but no luck with him either after 1841.....the only one I could find all the way through was George jnr, and unfortunatly he dosn`t ever have his parents or siblings with him on census night. I couldn`t find Maria and John Wainwright after 1851 either.



Nicky

Have just ordered the birth certificate for John as suggested by Nickydownsouth

Births Dec 1841
Denford John Chelsea 3 41

Grateful if any can see if they can find him on any census returns for me.

Many thanks

Nicki

Could this be another child born to George and Maria? it may be worth ordering the birth cert. using George for father as a ref. check.....If he is their son at least you`ll get Marias maiden name.


Births Dec 1841 (>99%)
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Denford John Chelsea 3 41


Nicky

Think this must be georges death......


Deaths Mar 1847 (>99%)
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Denford George Chelsea 3 58



though I can`t find a marriage for john wainwright and maria.....maybe they didn`t marry?


Nicky

don`t know if this is of any use?..... could george have died and maria re married?


George Dentford
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Wife's Son (Step Son)
Mother's Name: Maria
Gender: Male
Where born: Chelsea, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St George Hanover Square
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:45 Groveneor Mews

Occupation:Butter Factory Porter

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St George Hanover Square
Sub registration district: Hanover Square
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 180
Household Members: Name Age
George Dentford 15
John Wainwright 59 b Chidswell Yorks...... Wine Cooper
Maria Wainwright 38 b Taunton Somerset.



Nicky

Please could someone try to help me - I am doing a family tree as an 80th birthday present for my father in law - I have three weeks left to sort out the loose ends.


However I still cannot find Maria & George or any further children on 1851 as findmypast does not have that census. Also I cannot even find them on the 1861 either.

Anyone able to have a further look for me please. Looks like it is going to be some sort of mistranscription puzzle!!



Thanks

Nicki

George & Leah on 1871 !!

1871

DENFORD, George Head M 35 1836 Middlesex
KIRKMAN, Leah Wife F 28 1843 Oxfordshire
KIRKMAN, Emmily E Daughter F 8 1863 Middlesex
KIRKMAN, Louisa Daughter F 4 1867 Middlesex
KIRKMAN, Mary Daughter F 1 1870 Middlesex
RG number:
RG10 Piece:
93 Folio:
58 Page:
36

Registration District:
St George Hanover Square Sub District:
Hanover Square EnumerationDistrict:
6 Ecclesiastical Parish:


Civil Parish:
St George Hanover Square Municipal Borough:
Westminster Address:
Robert St, St George Hanover Square, Westminster County:
London, Middlesex

I think they must have been mistranscribed - having trouble spotting anything like them in 1851 and 1861 ...

Thanks Jill - beats me!!

Nicki

Not sure if this will help. It looks like Deniord on the image as well so if it is an error it's an early error and not a later mistranscription onto FreeBMD:

Births Jun 1838 (>99%)
Deniord William Samuel Bethnal Green 2 44 Scan available - click to view

I know Leah & George marry in 1862 -

Marriages Sep 1862
Chilton Leah Pancras 1b 71
Denford George Pancras 1b 71

Thanks for trying Potty.

Possibly badly mistranscribed?

Nicki

Sorry, Nicki, I can't find them at all after 1841, except for William who seems to have moved to Grimsby and become a fisherman and appears twice on the 1871 - once on a fishing boat, the Columbia, on Dogger Bank; and again at home in Grimsby with his wife!

Not much help find his MMN though.