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1881 Census

Name: Harry Venn
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1854
Relation: Son
Mother's Name: Annie
Gender: Male
Where born: Cliftonville, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Eastbourne
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address: 14 Longstone Ter East

Occupation: Fishmonger

Registration district: Eastbourne
Sub registration district: Eastbourne
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Annie Venn 49 b.ca 1832, Reading, Berkshire, Widow, Laundress
Harry Venn 27
Lousia Venn 18 Dressmaker
Minnie Venn 17 Dressmaker

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In 1891, Henry and Annie lived at 11 Longstone Terrace, and he was Fismonger's Assistant

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in 1901, Henry and Geraldine lived at 4 Avondale Terrace, and eh was a Fishmonger Assistant.

Nelly was Laundry Apprentice.

It is Geraldine on the image, mistranscribed as Geraline. She was born in London, Middlesex



sylvia

here are the birth registrations from www.freebmd.org.uk Each certificate will cost £7 from www.gro.gov.uk



Births Dec 1886 (>99%)

Venn Nellie May Eastbourne 2b 70


Births Mar 1889 (>99%)

Venn Alfred Henry Eastbourne 2b 91


Births Jun 1891 (>99%)

Venn Frank Macdonald Eastbourne 2b 72



sylvia

I almost dread saying this


but the only way you will sort out the names of the wives for certain is to obtain the birth certificate of one of the children born before 1891 ...... that will tell you the name of the mother.


It MAY be that geraldine was called Annie as a pet name



sylvia

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Dorcas Walo Hayne
Name: Dorcas Walo Hayne
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Year of Registration: 1895
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 68
District: Barton Regis
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a
Page: 131 (click to see others on page)

1881 England Census
about Robert J. Hayne
Name: Robert J. Hayne
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1830
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Dorcas W.
Gender: Male
Where born: Exmouth, Devon, England

Civil Parish: Keynsham
County/Island: Somerset
Country: England

Street address: Bath St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Occupation: Commercial (Trav)

Registration district: Keynsham
Sub registration district: Keynsham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Annette Hayne 24
Dorcas W. Hayne 53
Montague A. Hayne 16
Percy S. Hayne 20
Robert J. Hayne 51
George Wood 6
John Wood 4

1871 England Census
about Geraldine B Hayne
Name: Geraldine B Hayne
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Donas W
Gender: Female
Where born: Croydon, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: Croydon
Ecclesiastical parish: St Saviour
Town: Croydon
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Croydon
Sub registration district: Croydon
ED, institution, or vessel: 21
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 265a
Household Members:
Name Age
Donas W Hayne 44
Geraldine B Hayne 10
Montague A Hayne 6
Nettie Hayne 14
Percy S Hayne 10

Not sure if this is your Frank's birth? This man seems to have died in 1940 at his home 2 Wykeham Hill, a civilian war dead, husband of Minnie.

Name: Frank MacDonald Venn
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Eastbourne
County: Sussex, East Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 72 (click to see others on page)



This is the only one showing in Eastbourne for that time with a Henry/Harry in the name.


Name: Alfred Henry Venn
Year of Registration: 1889
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Eastbourne
County: Sussex, East Sussex
Volume: 2b
Page: 91 (click to see others on page)


There is an Alfred Henry who died in 1916 in France during the Battle of the Somme, but there are no personal details ie parents names or addresses.

Liz

Try the Commonwealth grave site.

Geraline Beatrice Hayne was born 1860 Lambeth & had what looks like a twin brother Percy Seymour Hayne

http://www.cwgc.org/

try that site

Helen

Can't thank you guys enough - you have helped me greatly - I hate to be a bit of a burden but is there anyway I can find out whether Frank and Harry served in the WW1 and died in action as family rumour has it

Beth

Very odd says annie from Bristol on the original aswell

Possible Henry in 1861 before confusing us with his wives! Children all born Brighton, everyone else are lodgers.



1861 England Census
about Henry Venn
Name: Henry Venn
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Henry
Mother's Name: Anne
Gender: Male
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Brighton
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address: 21 Elder Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Brighton
Sub registration district: St Peter
ED, institution, or vessel: 25
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 29
Household Members:
Name Age
James Cooper 3 Mo
Lucy Cooper 31
Sarah Cooper 18
Clara Downer 28
Clara Downer 9 Mo
William Downer 31
William Downer 5
Anne Venn 28 laundress, b Warfield, Berks
Elsey A Venn 6
Frank Venn 1
Henry Venn 30 labourer at railway, b Slaugham, Sussex
Henry Venn 8
Lucy Venn 3

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I believe Gladys moves to London in her teens perhaps Henry dies and Geraldine goes home

Oh i see what you mean now, but annie comes from Bristol. Strange

This is a revelation - no one seems to have remembered there was a first wife - Henry is around 15 years older than Geraldine - wonder when Annie died - also Lily disappears between 1891 and 1901

But Annie's on the 1891 census. He married Geraldine in 1886!

Annie looks like his first wife

yes it is Geraldine.

Helen

Geraldine is born London, Middlesex in the 1901 census. very odd. I wonder who Annie is?

Liz

Helen

you are a star - do you think Geraline could be Geraldine - my grandmother Gladys named her children Geraldine and Henry

Thank you so much

Beth