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Athena, Belle, Eric and everyone else who has very kindly attempted to assist me, thank you all so much, you have all given me plenty to "get my teeth into" i know what i will be doing for the rest of the evenng!
THANK YOU ALL!
(i will keep you posted)

My late brother in law was known as 'Nobby'......his given names were Arthur Henry.

First-born sons were frequently named after their fathers..................

Well, I wouldn't put a ref check for the name Florence Mills just in case it has been written on the cert as Miller (or it might look like Miller in that old handwriting).

I know it's a gamble but sometimes those gambles do pay off.

There isn't another Arthur White marrying in Edmonton at that time - and 1910 would tie in with the Arthur from the 1901 census (again Edmonton) turning 21yrs so it's a strong possibility.

For all we know, the eldest child "Nobby" may have been from a previous marriage or encounter of Florence before she married Arthur. Or they may have had a child prior to getting wed (if they wed at all).

Sharon - these are just our thoughts on it and seeing as you don't have a lot of solid info to go on it's going to be a case of searching and ordering certs like this, until you strike the jackpot and find one that fits.

Regards - Athena

Athena, thanks for that I thought it was my eyesight, doing too much looking at indexes. Just done 3 pages of transcribing for FreeBMD.

Yes Sharon could send for that Arthur White marriage and ask for a ref check on wife's name, then if wrong it would only be £3 and not £7

Ooooh - big OOOPSIE - the surname was Miller not Mills.

Checked on the transcribed section for Florence Miller to see who she is paired with but she's stuck on a page on her own.

Could be that her surname was written/transcribed incorrectly on the index?

Still the marriage for Arthur White in Edmonton 1910 is definitely one that I would order if it were me just to satisfy my curiosity.

Athena

Athena, I have done that but no Florence Mills with marriage at Edmonton only Manchester

RB - re your query - It's not on the transcribed entries on Ancestry - you have to look on the actual index pages.

Athena

Belle
I havent seen the cert, my aunt has a copy and she gave me the details over the phone, we live 250 miles from each other, maybe she could send me a copy? All she was able to tell me was grandands dob, where born and the names of his parents. My mum gave me the details of the siblings and unfortunately Nobby is all anyone has for the eldest boy.

Athena could I ask where you found this that you posted earlier:
Florence Mills - Edmonton - 1910 - Mar qtr - 3a 640 as I can't find it at all on Ancestry

Sharon, just a guess I'm afraid. I too like Julia have been wondering if Florence could have been married before or even married at all. As I can't find a marriage for them in those names.
Have you actually seen your grandfather's birth cert? Who was the informant? The registrar would just write down what he was told, you don't have to actually produce a marriage cert.

Sorry can't be more help, Jennifer

There are tons of male births with surname White born in Edmonton in those few years prior to 1910 - could be any one of them really as Nobby was just a nickname not based on any particular forename.

A good place to start would be with births of any child named Arthur - after the father, as we all know how they liked to pass either their name or their fathers name on to their first born son.

So, with that in mind, I had a look and came up with these:

Name: Arthur Ernest White
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Edmonton
County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 600 (


Name: Arthur Henry White
Year of Registration: 1908
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Edmonton
County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 548 (


Name: Arthur John White
Year of Registration: 1907
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Edmonton
County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 564 (


As you can see - there's a few to choose from and there's no guarantees that either of them is your Nobby.

I will check the 1891 census (assuming the 1901 is correct and he was the only Arthur in Edmonton so I am hoping it's him) and see if I can find your Arthur's father's name and see if that helps at all...

Athena

Do u think that could be my Nobby?

This is Lewis's birth

Births Dec 1910

WHITE Lewis J Edmonton 3a 527

No Norbert, but there is a Herbert in 1907

Im really thinking that Florence was married before

You could go for the marriage that Athena put up for Arthur White & see what that says

Julie

Thank you so much everyone!!!
Thats quite a bit of info for me to get looking into.
Hadnt thought of Norbert, sounds promising.

The only Nobby i can think of is Nobby Stiles so looked and hes name in Norbert...So that might help a bit

This is a bit of a long-shot re the marriage..

There is an entry for a Florence Mills - Edmonton - 1910 - Mar qtr - 3a 640

There is also (by coincidence?) an Arthur White - Edmonton - 1910 - Jun qtr - 3a 734.

Could they have somehow been entered onto wrong quarters/pages?

On Ancestry, when you search on the above entry for Arthur White and click to see others on page, it is missing a corresponding female - two males but only one female listed.

I had this happen with some 3xGrt grandparents marriage where they were not shown on the same page but i ordered the cert out of curiosity and it turned out to be them!

Athena

I have just 'googled' for Nobby and unfortunately it was a nickname for lots of different first names but one thing in common they all nearly have the same surname of Clarke. It wa particularly commonly used in the army, as anyone with a surname White was called ' Chalky' so anyone called Clarke was nicknamed Nobby

Teresa
I have seen that register for lewis/Camberwell myself, but thats not my grandad, my aunt has a copy of the birth cert and his gives him as being born Broad Lane Tottenham 1910,im sure the Jack and Harry is correct as the family were living in Edmonton.
Nobby is ef some sort nickname or abbreviation, not much help i know, but thats all my mum remembers of him.

Belle
Im sure that Nobby must have been a nickname, unfortunately my mum only recalls her father speaking of his brother Nobby, i have been trying to work out what Nobby may be an abbreviation of, Norman maybe?
Eventually i hope to get to a point where i can trace the institution where my grandfather was placed with his brother, for my mum, but Nobby as a name isnt much help is it.