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Tracey,

Anything at all would be appreciated. I've tie in all that you posted yesterday and it all fits.

I didn't let on before but the friend I am doing this is for is in her late 60's and crippled with rheumatoid arthritis. She is a spinster with obviously no children. She was the only one. Her mother and father were only children, so she feels she has no family. This has meant the world to her, especially having someone with standing in her family however distant. I didn't say this before because I didn't want to appear as though it was a sob story.

Any further info would be of real interest to her. However small it may seem. From Colins links I have pulled off some Times newspaper stories about him for her to look at.

Thanks to everyone but anything else would be useful.

Belinda,

I only stopped digging to give you chance to catch up...

If you need me to find anything else, let me know.


Tracey

Wayne/Tracey.

This certainly ties in Thomas Hartley B.1845 my friends gt.gt. grandad had a brother Ellisborn after him they originated in Yorkshire, so having a quick look it looks very promising.

Any info you have or pictures etc. I would be gratefulmy personal email address is
[email protected]

Thanks you once again to everyone.
Belinda.

1861, Baildon, Yorkshire

Name Age
Ann Hartley 4
Ellis Hartley 12
Jane Hartley 2
John Hartley 42
Susannah Hartley 39
Thomison Hartley 7
William Hartley 14

Ellis's brother Thomas...

Philadelphia Passenger Lists, 1800-1945
about Thomas Hartley
Name: Thomas Hartley
Arrival Date: 27 Jan 1895
Age: 46 Years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England
Ship Name: Ohio
Port of Arrival: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Friend's Name: Ellis Hartley
Last Residence: Kidderminster
Microfilm Roll Number: T840_22


The departure...

Name: Thomas HARTLEY
Date of departure: 16 January 1895
Port of departure: Liverpool
Passenger destination port: Philadelphia, USA
Passenger destination: Philadelphia, USA

Date of Birth: 1849 (calculated from age)
Age: 46
Marital status: Single
Sex: Male
Occupation: Lab



Tracey

Looks like Herbert's mum died between 1900 & 1910.

1910 United States Federal Census
about Ellis Hartley
Name: Ellis Hartley
Age in 1910: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Birthplace: England
Relation to Head of House: Boarder
Father's Birth Place: England
Mother's Birth Place: England
Home in 1910: Camden Ward 10, Camden, New Jersey
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1880
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Johnston Benn 63
Catherine Benn 54
Ellis Hartley 60

This maybe the marriage....

Marriages Sep 1870
Hartley Ellis Bradford Yk 9b 249
MURPHY Patrick Bradford Yk. 9b 249

Both the females are missing...typical!


Tracey

Could this be your man?

1900 United States Federal Census
about Herbert Hartley
Name: Herbert Hartley
Home in 1900: Colwyn, Delaware, Pennsylvania
Age: 24
Birth Date: May 1876
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Immigration Year: 1880
Relationship to head-of-house: Son
Father's Name: Ellis
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Name: Emily
Mother's Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Single
Residence : Colwyn & Yeason Boroughs, Delaware, Pennsylvania
Occupation: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ellis Hartley 50
Emily Hartley 48
Clara Hartley 29
Herbert Hartley 24


I will try and find Ellis's Emmigration record.

Name: Ellis Hartley
Home in 1900: Colwyn, Delaware, Pennsylvania
Age: 50
Birth Date: Mar 1850
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Ethnicity: American
Immigration Year: 1880
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Spouse's Name: Emily
Marriage Year: 1871
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 29


Looks like they married in the UK?


Tracey

Here you go !!!

His father was English..... i'll see what i can find now!!

U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
about Herbert Hartley
Name: Herbert Hartley
Birth Date: 28 May 1875
Birth Place: Oswego Falls, New York
RESIDENCE: Jersey City, NY
Passport Issue Date: 7 Nov 1916
Father Name: Ellis Hartley
Father's Birth Location: England
Passport Includes a Photo: Y
Source: Passport Applications, January 2, 1906 - March 31, 1925 (M1490

The data on the form states he's a Master Mariner!


Tracey

I was going to post some more... but it appears he's spent alot of time ping ponging from Southampton to new York....!!!


Tracey

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Herbert Hartley
Name: Herbert Hartley
Arrival Date: 21 Dec 1923
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Age: 43
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Southampton
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: American
Ship Name: Leviathan
Search Ship Database: View the Leviathan in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 1
Microfilm Serial: T715
Microfilm Roll: T715_3431
Page Number: 212

Listed as the Ships Master. The only Master of this ship.... I can send you the image if you wish


Tracey

thanks again for everyones help.

The Hartleys I know of in the family originated from yorkshire, one of which married a Louisa Cooke from Kidderminster, Worcestershire.

Thanks Colin, I will try and see if he fits in with any of the Hartleys I know of.

by the way Jan, if you google for Leviathan it is all there for the looking! nothing clever in it all!!

Belinda - where mainly does your family come from - location wise that is?

not a clue about the passengers and crew, but hang in there and someone will come up with someting for you - have faith!!

Ann

no I dont have a forename for CAPTAIN HARTLEY. All I know is that sometimes there were five Captains at a time on these large ships.

I really wanted to know how I could trace him.

Glad to be of use Julia, hope you found out what you wanted to know about your ship !!!

If someone could tell me how to trace hin on the ship I would be grateful. I wonder if there are any relatives of the married people about?

Ann, just seen your replies, many thanks, but how do I find the answers to the other parts of me question.
Julia in Derbyshire

SMS Prinz Heinrich
Built Kiel Navy Dockyard, laid down December 1898, completed March 1902, cost 16,588,000 Marks.

Size:
Length 410 feet 1 inch waterline 415 feet 4 inches overall, beam 64 feet 4 inches, draught 26 feet 6 inches, displacement 8,857 load 9,806 tons full load.

Propulsion:
3 shaft Triple expansion engines, 15,000 ihp, 20 knots

Trials: 15,694 shp = 19.9 knots

Armour:
4in belt, 6in turret faces, 2in decks

Armament:
2 x 9.4in 40cal (2 x 1), 10 x 5.9in 40 cal (10 x 1), 10 x 3.45in (10 x 1), 4 x 17.7in TT

Comments:
Smaller, cheaper design with reduced armour and armament but slightly higher speed. Crew 567.

World War 1 Service:
Prinz Heinrich
III Scouting Group.
16 December 1914 took part in the operation to bombard Hartlepool.
Apr 1915 onwards Baltic Sea.
March 1916 Used as barrack ship.
1920 Sold for scrapping.

SMS Prinz Heinrich. Like other German large cruisers, she was intended for overseas duties but once war had started this role was not viable and they were not modern enough to be useful in the more dangerous North Sea or Baltic theatres and were soon relegated to secondary roles

SMS Prinz Heinrich was the oldest German armoured cruiser to see service during the First World War. She had been built under the Second Navy Law, to act as an overseas station ship, and was a faster but lighter version of SMS Fürst Bismarck, the first German armoured cruiser. Because she was intended for service in tropical seas, her hull was sheathed with wood (designed to be replaced easily on a regular basis). She was the first German cruiser to carry all of her secondary armament in the central citadel that was a feature of all German battleships and heavy cruisers of the pre-dreadnought era.

In August 1914 the Prinz Heinrich was undergoing a refit. She was back with the fleet in time to take part in the raid on the Yorkshire coast of 15-16 December 1914. Prinz Heinrich, and the slightly more modern but very similar cruiser Roon acted as a screen for the battle squadrons that put to sea to support the battlecruisers undertaking the raid itself. The Prinz Heinrich remained with the fleet until 1916, when she was disarmed and used as a depot ship at Kiel. She was followed into service by the two very similar Prinz Adalbert class cruisers

Thanks Ann, I'm not very good with Google.Never know what to click onto when I've got there
Julia in Derbyshire