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I cannot find a marraige for my ggg Grandmother, nor can two other people I have contacted.
Her son, my gg grandfather John Stott has his father named as Joshua Stott his mother is Ellen Cropper all born Rochdale.
She is single on the 1861 cencus and widowed by the 1871 cencus.
She continued to have several more children after she was widowed.
Do you have to prove that you are married when you are registering children or could she just say that she was.
I know that she was married by 1891 to James Entwisle
Thanks
Diane

No proof is necessary when registering a birth. They could lie and quite often did lie. Sorry - not much comfort I know.

Jill

There's a man missing from this list:

Marriages Sep 1863 (>99%)
Cropper Ellen Rochdale 8e 55 Scan available - click to view
Greenwood John Rochdale 8e 55 Scan available - click to view
WHITWORTH Ann Rochdale 8e 55 Scan available - click to view

What surname did she use when she married Entwistle?

I think she did lie so do the other contacts. If so that means she had seven Illegitimate children. How would she have coped on her own.

This looks like the second marriage:

Marriages Sep 1890 (>99%)
ENTWISTLE James Rochdale 8e 150 Scan available - click to view
Murgatroyd Emma Rochdale 8e 150 Scan available - click to view
Stott Ellen Rochdale 8e 150 Scan available - click to view
Tucker Henry Rochdale 8e 150 Scan available - click to view

She may have had support from a man. Maybe he was already married. Maybe they lived together - or at least lived together some of the time.

Thanks Jill I will see what if I can find the missing one on ancestry.

Eric, She used the name Stott

Possible deaths............

Deaths Dec 1863 (98%)

Stott Joshua Rochdale 8e 88

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Deaths Mar 1868 (>99%)

STOTT Joshua 41 Rochdale 8e 15


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Deaths Mar 1871 (>99%)

STOTT Joshua 40 Rochdale 8e 4

Eric
Three of her children were born in ,68 ,70 and,71 so the last one could be possible.
Can I just say thanks to you all now I,m struggling to keep up and I don,t want anyone to think i,m ungrateful for their help.

I have looked on ancestry to see if the missing person that Jill indicated was a Stott but unfortunately there are no Joshuas or any other Stott with that gro number

That's a nuisance Diana ... back to the drawing board.

She,s driving me mad. She had one child adopted then left her youngest child with her adopted out daughter. I would love to know her story. I think she probably had a hard life
Diane

I've tried Ellen and Joshua marriages between 1861 and 1871 with no joy. Trouble is there are several ways of spelling Ellen which doesn't help.

I did come across an Ellen Stott marrying a Joshua someone but I don't see that can be anything more than a coincidence ...

And the trouble is that Stott and Cropper could be mistranscribed into a variety of weird and wonderful things.

No It would be Ellen Cropper
I,ve tried Crapper crippen all sorts of variations without any luck
Thanks for trying for me
Diane

This Ellen married John Greenwood:

Marriages Sep 1890
Cropper Ellen Rochdale 8e 55
Greenwood John Rochdale 8e 55

Rose

Hi Rose
She can,t be the right one. Ellen was married to James entwisle at that time. She was widowed again by 1901 calling herself Stott again and living in Salford
Thanks
Diane

Do you think one of them has a wrong page no?

Marriages Sep 1863
Collinge Richard Rochdale 8e 93
Lord Ann Rochdale 8e 93
>>>>Stott Joseph Rochdale 8e 93
WHITWORTH Alice Rochdale 8e 93


Update - sorry, wrong first name.

Do you have an occuption for Joshua?

Rose