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i was wondering if some kind person could help me out of sticky situation ...im trying to find if theres any children in two diff marriage which took place 1864

1st marriage being martha maria walters who married a thomas littlemore b 1843 nk. cant find any children ????
2nd marriage alice walters b 1849 to a temple tinniswoodborn cumbria............. married 1864 in wirral ive looked and looked and now im about to give up
please help im tearing my hair out struggling

alice and martha are sisters born birkenhead cheshire

1881 census

Temple TINNISWOOD Head M Male 38 Skelton, Cumberland, England Licensed Victualler
Alice TINNISWOOD Wife M Female 31 Birkenhead, Cheshire, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling 2 Dodge St
Census Place West Derby, Lancashire, England
Family History Library Film 1341886
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3702 / 38
Page Number 9

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Husband
ROBERT TINNISWOOD Pedigree


Birth:
Christening:
Marriage:
Death:
Burial:





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Wife
MARGARET Pedigree


Birth:
Christening:
Marriage:
Death:
Burial:





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Children

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1. TEMPLE TINNISWOOD Pedigree
Male

Birth:
Christening: 11 JUN 1843 Skelton, Cumberland, England
Death:
Burial:

Alice's marriage wasn't until 1873


Marriages Dec 1873 (>99%)

Jones Joseph Birkenhead 8a 735
Pritchard Mary Ellen Birkenhead 8a 735
PRITCHARD Ruth Pitt Birkenhead 8a 735
<<<Tinniswood Temple Birkenhead 8a 735
<<<Walters Alice Birkenhead 8a 735

Christine

death index
temple
sept qtr 1888
age 46
Lancaster
8e
436

stop tearing your hair out!!! the bald look will not suit you

Ann

?? Alice in 1901 Licensed Victualler
Name: Alice Penrose
[Alice Wathers] ??Walters
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Mother's Name: Mary A
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Edge Hill St Jude


Name: Alice M Tinniswood
[Alice M Penrose]
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Alice
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Edge Hill St Jude


Name: Martha Selena Tinniswood
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Alice
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Edge Hill St Jude


Name: Mary A Wathers ??walters
Age: 84
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1817
Relation: Mother
Gender: Female
Where born: Stockport, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Edge Hill St Jude
County/Island: Lancashire
got to go out now perhaps someone could have a look at it all a bit more

Do you actually have the cert for Martha as Thomas Littlemore has been given a different area on Free BMD and the image supports this.

Not able to view the image for Martha

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

Marriages Mar 1864 (>99%)


Cooper John Birkenhead 8a 517
Littlemore Thomas Wirral 8a 517
Walters Martha Maria Birkenhead 8a 517

Christine

christine all info i have is thomas littlemore 1843 birth place nk

ann im bald now lol
thanks christe ann and janice well done xxxxxx thanx jean

janice was that death thing for temple or alice

I think Martha could have married John Cooper

1871 England Census
about Martha M Cooper
Name: Martha M Cooper
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 19
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 71
Household Members: Name Age
Emily Cooper 4
Frederick Cooper 3 months
John Cooper 29
Martha M Cooper 26
William Cooper 1
Anne Lambert 16

Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3747; Folio: 51; Page: 18;

Christine

Mistranscribed in 1891

1891 England Census
about Martha M Carper
Name: Martha M Carper
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Birkenhead
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England


Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 30
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Carper 48
Martha M Carper 45
Frederick Carper 20
John Carper 10
Herbert W Carper 6

Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 2885; Folio 15; Page 23;

1881 England Census
about Martha M. Cooper
Name: Martha M. Cooper
Age: 35
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Birkenhead
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Street address: 14 Exmouth St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Birkenhead
Sub registration district: Birkenhead
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emily Cooper 14
Frederick Cooper 10
John Cooper 39
John Cooper 4mths
Martha M. Cooper 35

Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3577; Folio: 117; Page: 19;

she could of remarried

As I said earlier, the marriage for martha is Birkenhead district and Thomas Littlemore is Wirral.

The census details I have found seem to point to Martha marrying John Cooper but to be certain you need to buy the certificate.

Christine

i will do i think when i go to birkenhead next week to see my bros and sisters

Is it the Walters family you are interested in?

Can I ask how you thought that Martha married Thomas Littlemore?

Christine

cos its the names already on my tree cos ive all siblings partners names on tree been there ages
this walters line leads back to my grandmother
hence the interest

Jean it was death index for Temple and then possible 2nd marriage /partner for Alice in 1901 with ?mother living in same household do you know if that is mothers name(Alice's mother)

1891 children are called PenroseName: Alice Penrose
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Birkenhead, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
Town: Liverpool

Name: Alice M Penrose
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Alice
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
Town: Liverpool
County/Island: Lancashire
Name: Martha S Penrose
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Alice
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Everton
Ecclesiastical parish: Emmanuel
Town: Liverpool



Cannot find them registered as Penrose in birth index but can find them as Tinniswood

Mar 1889

Tinniswood Martha Selina
Liverpool
8b
122



Jun 1882
TINNISWOOD Alice Maude
W. Derby
8b
621