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Hi Debby,
Just remember that we are here and can look up info for you.
Not the same I know, but at least your search would not grind to a halt.
Julie

Oh Deborah, congratulations!
With seven children, eight including hubby, how on earth do you find time to have a hobby like this.
Mind you, with seven children it must be nice to escape for a while and it's always good to have something else to do other than shopping, washing and cleaning up.
Your uncles not the only one! Men always think that women are mind readers and take it for granted that we know everything that they know.

I was thinking about Lielly and, depending on the pronunciation, could it be that her name being Eliza, that got changed to Lizzy, then over time the pronunciation got changed to Lielly. Maybe one of her sisters couldn't pronounce her name properly, as it often happens, called her Lielly and it just stuck.
Just an idea!

I think your right, I know from another branch of the family that hoxton/bethnal gn/camberwell seem to get very mixed on census info, and he is still a boot mender.
Thank you xx

This could be the family in 1881 ? ?

1881 England Census about James Grout
Name: James Grout
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Harriett
Gender: Male
Where born: Bethl Green, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 100 Laburnum St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Occupation: Boot Maker

Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub registration district: Haggerston
ED, institution, or vessel: 31

Household Members: Name Age
Harriett Grout 25
James Grout 30
James Hy. Grout 3mths
Maud Ester Grout 5
William R. Grout 1

Just recieved this email from my uncle, over a year we have been researching together and now he tells me this:

Hi
The Grout family. I remember my great grandmother Harriet who lived with my gran(ROSE) at the end of WW2 in st loys road in tottenham. I also knew my great aunt Amy and her sons who lived in stoke newington. Rose,Amy and Lielly all looked very similar. Amy even in her 80's did not have a wrinkle in her face. Tiverton Rd was often referred to now I know why.

(bangs & bangs & bangs head) Is it a man thing do you think? lol

Thanks catherine, i did do that last year before I took out a years sub, it's just run out, and boy am i in trouble, cause as you know it's not cheap, husbands right, with 7 children i'm being a little selfish with the run up to xmas, but he has no idea how addicted I am now to my genealogy :)

I'm just going to have to be patient and wait for the new year but I want the info like yesterday lol my impatience and my genealogy interest do not mix well :)
Thanks for the advice though

Debby

Thank you Julie

A very fraustrating morning, one years research found to be worthless, but lots of lessons learnt.
At least now I have something to work from.

Thanks again
Debby

Hi Deborah,

Take out a two week free trial on ancestry.co.uk , then if you like it you could always ask for an annual membership as a Xmas present!
If not, you can still carry on looking for another two weeks!

I think that this is the census you uncle found...

1901 England Census about Eliza Grous (Grout on original)
Name: Eliza Grous
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Tottenham, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Tottenham
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address: 165 Tiverton Rd
Occupation:

Registration district: Edmonton
Sub registration district: Tottenham
ED, institution, or vessel: 61

Household schedule number: 469
Household Members: Name Age
Amy Grous 18 ... Collar Ironer
Clarence Grous 13 ... Errand Boy, ? Shop
Eliza Grous 3
Hanley Grous 15 ... Errand Boy, Butcher
Harriet Grous 48 born abt 1853, Islington, London,
Horace Grous 7
James Grous 51 born abt 1850, Hoxton, London,
James Grous 24 .. Railway Carters Labourer
Leon Grous 1
Leonard Grous 9
Rose Grous 21 ... Collar Ironer
Charlotte How 20 .. Boarder ... Confectioner (Sweets)
Ruth How 8 (17yrs) .. Boarder ... Serv. Domestic
Annie Parker 18 .. Boarder ... Confectioner (Sweets)

Ok, a bit of an udate.

My uncle emailed me this morning, he has found an Eliza on the 1901 census, has failed to mention where he found it, but found her, born in 1898 living at 165 Tiverton Rd Tottenham with her sister Rose 20 mother Harriet 48 and father James 50, also other siblings and boarders but he gave no details of these (bangs head once again against the wall). I've emailed him back to see if he can send me a reference number or something.
I'm stuck for searching till after xmas as husband has found my statement showing how much i spend on credits etc....... whoops :) but have found a James on the 1861 census living in Oldham aged 8, any help would be appreciated, else it'll be on the top of my list for the new year :)

The bad news is that I now have about 100 names on my tree that do not belong to me :( I kind of liked them too, had made them my own if you know what I mean, going to feel guilty deleting them :(

Many thanks all to for your help

Debby
xx

It's just the way the family has always spelt it, though I've never seen it written. I've just emailed my uncle in hope that i can jog his memory with the spelling, he also has Iris's old paper work so i'm hoping with another look he'll find something else.

I do remember my aunt when i was a child in the 70's she was alway called aunt Lielly/Lylie. I'm just searching now to see if I can find a death certificate on the info you have all found today, fingers crossed x

What makes you think her name was spelt Lielly?

Just checked my records Laurence's middle name is Matthew, seems to much of a coincidence to me

yes, i think Iris's birth certificate is the way to go

:)

Even if she was in hospital or staying with someone else, she should be there somewhere!

The marriage certificate will give her age so you can confirm, or not, her date of birth.
It will also give you her fathers name and profession, and names of witnesses, which could be relations.

Interestingly i know that the daughter, Iris's middle name is also Elsie, I'm beginning to wonder if i do have the right family as she should be on a census, somewhere, unless of course she was in hospital, staying at grandparents or staying with one of her many older brothers and sisters,
(bangs head against the wall)
why didn't have these conversations with her when she was here? :(

Remember Iris's birth certificate should have her mothers correct name .

Thank you Catherine, yes thats Mary and William in Fenn St but as you see no Lielly, Rose is my G grandmother.

Thank you Julie, think we're on to something here, i'm certainly going to look into Eliza Grout and see where that leads me.

xxxx

If this is her birth,
she should be on a census record somewhere but I can not find her ...

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 about Eliza Elsie Grout
Name: Eliza Elsie Grout
Year of Registration: 1898
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Edmonton
County: Essex, Hertfordshire, Middlesex
Volume: 3a
Page: 357