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Hi Everyone,

I'm researching Philip Dive and his wife Selina Watts. I have their marriage in London in 1846. I can't find anything for Philip after this. Philip was born in England c1818 +/-8years and apparently was the son of Anthony Philip Dive. The IGI has a submitted record saying Philip died in Australia and his son, also Philip appears to be in England since about 1873, as he married here.

Can anyone please help me fill in the gaps? Did Philip go to Australia with his wife and die there. Was his son, Philip, his only child? When did Philip jnr return, if he ever went at all?

Any help very much appreciated. Karen

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Anthony Philip Dive was christened on the 21st October 1772,Rainham,Kent.
Parent's were Anthony and Elizabeth.

Many thanks, Cassidy. That's a great help.

Can you pls tell me what the Sands Directory is?

the son Philip Dive was born in the UK


According to the 1891 Census, he was born ca 1850, Brixton, Surrey.

I then found this one ......... the image does say Dive


1851 Census

Name: Philip Dioe <<<<< Dive on image
Age: 2
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Grandson
Gender: Male
Where born: Brixton, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Frindsbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Rochester
County/Island: Kent

Registration district: North Aylesford
Sub registration district: Northfleet

Philip Dioe 2
Adelaide Watts 21
Alanot Watts 16
Edwin Watts 20
Mary Ann Watts 45 b.ca 1806, Camberwell, Surrey




sylvia

Here is Philip and Selina's marriage registration, from www.freebmd.org.uk

Marriages Dec 1846 (>99%)

Dive Philip London 2 194
Watts Selina London 2 194




sylvia

Hi Karen

There is a Philip Dive listed in the 1867 OFFICIAL POST OFFICE DIRECTORY OF NEW SOUTH WALES

Philip Dive , clerk, Sydney

bye Helen

p.s. a possible death?

2599/1902 DIVE PHILIP A PHILIP PADDINGTON

and young Philip in 1861


His grandmother Mary Ann Watts lived just a couple of doors away rom this address .... and the image shows that Phulip was first written in there (as grandson), and the entry for himw as then crossed out, and he is down as a visitor at this address


1861 Census

Name: Philip Dise <<<<< Dive on the image
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Brixton, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Frindsbury
County/Island: Kent

Registration district: North Aylesford
Sub registration district: Strood
Philip Dise 12
Sarah Young 51

Address:- Wainscott



sylvia

and in 1871

1871 Census

Name: Phillip Dire
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849
Gender: Male
Where born: Brixton, Surrey, England
Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: London

Registration district: Pancras
Sub registration district: Kentish Town

Morgan Byfield 52
Morgan Byfield 16
Thomas Byfield 51
Phillip Dire 22 Lodger, Clerk Ry. C. House
Anne Field 70
Simpson 75


Address:- 142 Prince of Wales Road






So it looks as though young Phil(l)ip did not go to Australia with his father, unless it was for a very brief period of time




sylvia

Could this be the reason why Philip Sr went to Oz and left his son behind?????


from freebmd.org.uk


Deaths Sep 1850 (>99%)

DIVE Selina N Aylesford 5 283



N. Aylesford is in Kent




sylvia

Sylvia, that's great. So Philip jnr was likely an only child and his father ran away after his mother's death, leaving Philip jnr with his dead wife's mother.

Right, so I'm going to need a travel record for the early 1850's from England to Oz, though I'm not sure you can get records that far back? And Helen found him working as a Clerk in Sydney in 1867.

Any ideas of how I can find out if he remarried in Oz?

Many thanks for all the help.

Karen

Hi Karen.
There appears to be a marriage 1855 in N.S.W of a Philip Dive.

V18551517 73B/1855 DIVE PHILIP spouse: JOBSON JANE M

You can check BDM's for the state of N.S.W on-line.
See "Family History:
See "Search Historical Index:
See: Search

http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/


You can search in coming Shipping records at this link for N.S.W
See State Archives
See Indexs on line
See Immigration and Shipping.

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/

also
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/


Cheers. Tony ( Australia )

Many thanks, Tony.

Those site addresses are great!

Karen

Hi Karen.

I have searched what Passenger records i have for States in Aussie..but cannot find a Philip DIVE c.1850s.........He also could have been a "Crew member" and jumped ship...so not listed on Passenger records.


Good luck.
Tony....:>))

Thanks for looking, Tony.

I do remember, before my Ancestry subscription ran out, seeing an entry for a Mr P Dive travelling. I can't remember where to and when, but may be that's the entry I'm looking for... it's obviously been kept in the back of my mind for this occasion!

Karen

As I discovered, DIVE is very easily mis-spelled, mis-transcribed, etc!!!



sylvia

This tree is on ancestry



Bradley Family Tree
Public Member Tree
Unsourced

Philip Anthony Dive
Birth: 1819
Death: 26 Jan 1902 - Paddington, Nsw (New South Wales)
Spouse: Jane Margaret Jobson

Parents F: Philip Dive M: Unknown Watson



Bradley Family Tree
Public Member Tree
Unsourced
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Name: Philip Dive
Birth: 1856 - Nsw (New South Wales)
Death: 1856 - Nsw (New South Wales)
Parents Philip Anthony Dive Jane Margaret Jobson



sylvia

Here's Philip Sr in 1851 ....... so he must have travelled to Australia between the date of this census and 1855 when he apprently married down there


1851 Census

Name: Philip Dine <<<<<< Dive on image
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Kingsdown, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: Surrey

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First

Fredrick Bacon 28
Elizah Deville 65
Emily Deville 22
Louis Deville 17
Ursula Deville 62
Philip Dine 27 Widower, Artisan
Francis Mossewy 67


Address:- 21 Crozier St




sylvia

I wonder if this is Philip Sr in 1841 with his parents????


1841 Census

Name: Phillip Deve <<<<< Dive on image
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Gender: Male
Where born: Kent, England

Civil Parish: Chatham
Hundred: Chatham and Gillingham
County/Island: Kent

Registration district: Medway
Sub registration district: Gillingham

Anthoney Deve 60 b.ca 1781, Kent, Publican
Mary Deve 50 b.ca 1791, Kent
Sybella Deve 16 b.ca 1825, Kent
Phillip Deve 15
Edward Deve 13 b.ca 1828, Kent

Address:- Gibraltar Place, Chatham


PLUS Charlton Dive 9 ................. the record shows him as with another family living next door. The image shows he should be her. See posting below.




sylvia

Did you know about these ........... they're from familysearch, but are extracted records


MARY PARFECT DIVE Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 19 OCT 1813 Kingsdown Near Sevenoaks, Kent, England


Parents:
Father: ANTHONY PHILIP DIVE Family
Mother: HARRIET

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.



ELIZABETH DIVE Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 29 APR 1814 Kingsdown Near Sevenoaks, Kent, England

Death:
Burial:

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Parents:
Father: ANTHONY PHILIP DIVE Family

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.




MARTHA DIVE Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 26 MAR 1820 Kingsdown Near Sevenoaks, Kent, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ANTHONY PHILIP DIVE Family
Mother: MARY

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.



SIBYLLA DIVE Pedigree
Female

Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 12 SEP 1822 Kingsdown Near Sevenoaks, Kent, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: ANTHONY PHILIP DIVE Family
Mother: MARY

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Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.




Off to see what else I can find ..... like Phillip as other than a submitted record!!!




sylvia