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Hello Elaine, she could have been a Canadian citizen by marriage or residency.

What do you mean by them being separated on the ship? All it shows is a separate record for each person - the passenger records show individual names, not block bookings.

Hi

Having looked at this in more detail, l have noticed that you say she was a Canadian citizen, however she was born in England, so how could she have been a Canadian citizen?
Also why would they have been separated on the ship as well, surely if they were going over as a family they would have accompanied each other.

No she seems to have disappeared in 1911. I think this is her going to Canada with her sister in law.


Passenger lists leaving UK 1890-1960
Name: Elizabeth HURRELL
Date of departure: 12 August 1919
Port of departure: Liverpool
Destination port: Halifax
Destination country: Canada
Date of Birth:
Age:
Marital Status:
Sex: Not specified
Occupation:
Notes:
Passenger recorded on: Page 27 of 39
The following people with the same last name travelled on this voyage: -
Lilla Kabe HURRELL (name should be Lilla Kate)
Ship: BALTIC
Official Number:
Master's name:
Steamship Line: White Star Line
Where bound: New York, USA



Lilla's marriage. Surely Elizabeth's should be around this area and time?

Marriages Jun 1919 (>99%)

Funnell Lilla K Hurrell Chippenham 5a 197 Scan available - click to view
Hurrell Albert H Funnell Chippenham 5a 197

Hey ,

Ive looked as well and cant find anything, but the thing is if that was the charlotte then she would have been on an 1911 census but l couldnt find her on one of those either.


elaine

I think it was Canada. It says Canada English as opposed, I assume, to Canada French.

Liz

I agree - have tried every which way and no sign. There is no evidence of Charles marrying anyone with these first names, Bailey or otherwise! Likewise birth of daughter.
I wonder if Kathleen/Joyce was born in USA or Canada? Does it say on census?
Jan

Thanks Jan. As I said, it does seem to be her but I would be a lot happier if I could have found a marriage. No firm proof. :-(

I think you must have cracked it Alviegal, good bit of research there!
Jan

Hummell should read Hurrell. If you look 6 posts above where I have posted this, you will see why I think this may be your lady.

>>>Name: Charlotte E Hurrell
Arrival Date: 1 Feb 1926
Age: 33
Birth Date: abt 1893
>>>Birthplace: Wiltshire
Birth Country: England
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: English

Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
>>>Departure Contact: Father James Bailey
Arrival Contact: Brother-in-law Albert Hurrell

Charlotte Elizabeth's surname is Bailey, l can't see where the hummell has come from?

1940 United States Federal Census about Charles P Humell
Name: Charles P Humell
Age: 50
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birthplace: England
Marital Status: Married
Relation to Head of House: Head
Home in 1940: Flint, Genesee, Michigan
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Street: Thennton Avenue
House Number: 2909
Farm: No
Inferred Residence in 1935: Flint, Genesee, Michigan
Residence in 1935: Same House
Citizenship: Having First Papers
Sheet Number: 41B
Number of Household in Order of Visitation: 712
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles P Humell 50 labourer automobile factory
Charlotte B Humell 48
Kathaleen J Humell 20 new worker


Not finding anything to prove that this is definitely your Charlotte Elizabeth. It does look like her but no proof.

Here's Charles P with Albert H.

1901 census transcription details for: Elmsleigh, Queens Road, Cheam, Village
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National Archive Reference:
RG number: RG13
Piece: 578
Folio: 127
Page: 26
Reg. District: Epsom
Sub District: Carshalton
Parish: Cheam
Enum. District: 20
Ecclesiastical District: St Dunstans
City/Municipal Borough:
Address: Elmsleigh, Queens Road, Cheam, Village
County: Surrey
Name Relation Condition Sex Age Birth Year Occupation , Disability Where Born
HURRELL, Alfd Head Married M 35 1866 Bootmaker
Westminster S W, London
HURRELL, Jane Wife Married F 39 1862
Chelsea S W, London
HURRELL, Alfd Son Single M 14 1887
Chelsea S W, London
HURRELL, Thos C Son Single M 12 1889
Chelsea S W, London
>>HURRELL, Chas P Son Single M 10 1891
Fulham S W, London
>>HURRELL, Albt Hy Son Single M 9 1892
Chelsea S W, London
HURRELL, Wm Alex Son Single M 6 1895
Fulham S W, London
HURRELL, Ellen Daughter Single F 4 1897
Chelsea S W, London
HURRELL, Ernest Son Single M 2 1899
Cheam, Surrey
ORRIN, William Boarder Single M 25 1876 Engineers Labourer
Chelsea S W, London

I think this may be the Charlotte Elizabeth above.


1930 United States Federal Census about Betty Hurrell
Name: Betty Hurrell
Gender: Female
Birth Year: abt 1892
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Home in 1930: Flint, Genesee, Michigan
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Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1926
Relation to Head of House: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles P Hurrell
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Charles P Hurrell 40 b England
Betty Hurrell 38
Joyce K Hurrell 9 b Canada english

This appears to be Albert. He was a Home child sent to Canada.
HURRELL Albert H 14 M Dominion 1907

from http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/home-children/index-e.html


1930 United States Federal Census about Albert H Hurrell
Name: Albert H Hurrell
Gender: Male
Birth Year: abt 1892
Birthplace: England
Race: White
Home in 1930: Flint, Genesee, Michigan
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Marital Status: Married
Immigration Year: 1923
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Lilla K Hurrell
Father's Birthplace: England
Mother's Birthplace: England
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert H Hurrell 38
Lilla K Hurrell 38
Joan E Hurrell 9
Hazel M Hurrell 8
Ernest J Hurrell 6
Mary E Hurrell 4
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Wayne Starr 24

At the moment, this looks interesting.

Name: Charlotte E Hurrell
Arrival Date: 1 Feb 1926
Age: 33
Birth Date: abt 1893
Birthplace: Wiltshire
Birth Country: England
Gender: Female
Race/Nationality: English

Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
Departure Contact: Father James Bailey
Arrival Contact: Brother-in-law Albert Hurrell

Microfilm Roll Number: M1478_31

She was a Canadian citizen, living in Chatham? Canada. She was going to reside in Flint? Michigan. She had arrived in Halifax on Aug 25, 1919 on the Baltic.
Will see what else I can find out.

Liz


EDIT Have added this to the family group. He also landed at Halifax on the same date and ship.


Detroit Border Crossings and Passenger and Crew Lists, 1905-1957 about Charles P Hurrell
Name: Charles P Hurrell
Arrival Date: 1 Feb 1926
Age: 35 Years 10 Months
Birth Date: abt 1890
Birthplace: Futham Lnd
Gender: Male
Race/Nationality: English

Port of Arrival: Detroit, Michigan
Accompanied by: Daughter Kathleen Joyce Hurrell
Arrival Contact: Brother Albert Hurrell

Microfilm Roll Number: M1478_31

Yeah l have her as both as not sure which name she went under.. Can you help at all?

Just to add, some people on Ancestry have her as Charlotte Elizabeth - if they are correct she presumably went by her 2nd name.
Jan

Hi everyone,

Thankyou for the information!

The Aunt that may have gone to Cleveland looks to be Elizabeth Bailey, as she shows in the 1901 cenuses but not in the 1911.

Can anyone help with this?

England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about Annie V Clements
Name: Annie V Clements
Birth Date: abt 1891
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1962
Age at Death: 71
Registration district: Colchester
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 4a
Page: 655

England & Wales, Marriage Index: 1916-2005
about Florence P Bailey
Name: Florence P Bailey
Spouse Name : Thomas W Stevens
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1921
Registration district: Pewsey
Inferred County: Wiltshire
Volume Number: 5a
Page Number: 381



England & Wales, Death Index: 1916-2006
about Florence P Stevens
Name: Florence P Stevens
Birth Date: abt 1900
Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1950
Age at Death: 50
Registration district: Bournemouth
Inferred County: Hampshire
Volume: 6b
Page: 126