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There is nothing to say all the children on the 1901 are Mary's indeed none of them maybe.... Elizabeth could have possibly died having the last child.

Thats the only problem with the pre 1911 census's they did not often show step families correctly.


Tracey

Carry on from the first message
His second wife was Mary with whom he had 4 children Lily 1892, Cathleen & Minnie (Twins) ? 1893 and Beth E 1897.
All we need to know now is the name of Joseph juniors wife.

Thanks to All (especially Tracey x and Dea)

U Reds

Sorry was having lunch.....

I'm going to take a look and see when Minnie and Cathleen were born and if as the census suggests they are twins. It could be the trigger point we need.

We need to establish when Elizabeth died and which children are hers.


Tracey

Hi All

Been collating all the information that you've given me,I think its evident that Joseph 1858 was married twice.
To Elizabeth as 1891 Census having two children Joseph Jnr 85 & Mary 1883 but does not appear in the 1901 census.

Yes i thought that, but it's pinning a death to Elizabeth.... there are a few....!!

Tracey x

1901 England Census
about Mary Lewis
Name: Mary Lewis
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Gender: Female
Where born: Manchester, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Hulme Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Looks like two different people, this ones born Manchester

I agree with Helen, or they married after some of the children were born and just stated 10 years to ensure all the children looked like they were within wedlock on paper?


Tracey x

If he married in 1901 he would have only been 16, so proberly lied about his age.

Okies,

I'm beginning to think Mary is a second wife?

Unless she's rotating her names?

1891 England Census
about Joseph Lewis
Name: Joseph Lewis
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: Pendleton
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Salford
Sub registration district: Pendleton

Joseph Lewis 32
Elizabeth Lewis 29
Joseph Lewis 6
Mary Lewis 3

Yes must be, in 1891 the father was a horse keeper

Helen

Snap Helen,.... lol at least it comfirms 2 people think this is him...lol


Tracey x

1901 England Census
about Joseph Lewis
Name: Joseph Lewis
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Parson Toron, Ireland

Civil Parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Hulme Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Father a groom at stables

Gonna try another stab in the dark now...

1901 England Census
about Joseph Lewis
Name: Joseph Lewis
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Hulme Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Joseph Lewis 43 << Parson Toron, Ireland, (more irish than you thought!) Maybe this is your Irish connection? Or the reason he maried an Irish girl?
Mary Lewis 41 << Manchester, Lancashire, England
Joseph Lewis 16
Lily Lewis 9
Cathleen Lewis 8
Minnie Lewis 8
Bertha E Lewis 4

Dad Joseph, is a Groom/Livery Staff. young Joseph was a cellar boy it seems.

Checking the rest of the details now.


Tracey x

1901 England Census
about Joseph Lewis
Name: Joseph Lewis
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1885
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Joseph
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Brighton, Sussex, England

Civil Parish: South Manchester
Ecclesiastical parish: Hulme Holy Trinity
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Chorlton
Sub registration district: Hulme
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 185
Household Members:
Name Age
Joseph Lewis 43
Mary Lewis 41
Joseph Lewis 16
Lily Lewis 9
Cathleen Lewis 8
Minnie Lewis 8
Bertha E Lewis 4

A possible

Hi Tracey

All that I now about Joseph is that his daughter Sarah Married a Harry Walster in 1922 at Chorlton.

Clive

Hi Kathleen
Geography not too good where is West Derby.
Clive

Thanks for the Dea, don't know why i didn't check there myself ... I did check the Lancs OPC however lol...


Tracey x

Hi again....

Do we know anything about Joseph at all?

His parents names? Siblings?

Trying to narrow him down now....it's quite possible he married Annie in the Sussex area?

If she's from Ireland you might be lucky and she's listed on one of the inbound New York ships lists.



Tracey x

Can't find a Gladys Lewis born 1902 in Manchester. This is the nearest I can find:-

Name: Gladys Lewis
Year of Registration: 1902
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 493

Kath. x