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No new children in 1911; I checked.

But -- two people here at GR have Esther Catling 1861 Shoreditch in their trees!

You're welcome!

I hesitate to mess around with them any more, since I assume people like to do their own family histories. ;)

Do check the 1911 to see who might be in the household.

In case you haven't got familiar with it, search for, say, Alice Slatter born 1897 +/- 2 years. When you have the location, search for all Slatters in that location living with Alice Slatter.

http://www.1911census.co.uk/search/tnaform.aspx

Ah, I wonder whether what had happened was that Esther's mother died before 1871.

There's an 1857 marriage of Edward William Catling and (probably) Esther Oliver Willis.

But the wife's name in 1881 is Eliza.

I imagine it was a second marriage, and he was a widow in 1871 when the children were with the maternal grandparents.

So Esther Oliver Willis would be Esther Catling's mother.

Again thanks very much both of you

Jo x

Searching at FreeBMD for births for

surname catlin*
given name esther

we get:

Births Jun 1850
Catling Esther Sophia Boston 14 299
- really rather old to be your Esther

Births Dec 1861
CATLING Esther Mary Shoreditch 1c 184

Births Jun 1870
Catlin Esther Ware 3a 244
- almost certainly too young to be your Esther


No other options!

Yes it does sound as if it could be her Evie. I won't dismiss it.

thanks Darklord i'll make a note of all that.

thanks very much you two i really appreciate your help

Wow evie thanks a lot.


Jo xx

And here's some luck: she was with grandparents in 1871, giving you another surname:


Name: Esther Catling
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Granddaughter
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: London
County/Island: London
Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub registration district: Hackney Road

Esther Willis 68
Thomas Willis 38
Joseph Willis 32
Hannah Willis 26
Thomas Catling 12
Esther Catling 10
Alice Catling 8

Here you go then! 1901:


Name: Esther Slatter
Age: 39
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Joseph
Where born: London, England

Name: Joseph Slatter
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Esther
Where born: Coventry

Civil Parish: Portland
Ecclesiastical parish: St John the Baptist
County/Island: Dorset

Registration district: Weymouth
Sub registration district: Portland

Joseph Slatter 59
Esther Slatter 39
Bessie Slatter 9
Thomas Slatter 7
Alice Slatter 4
William Slatter 1


I wasn't finding her in 1881, but found the Joseph Burley groom with wife Catherine, the other bride on the page, so Esther had to be married to Joseph Slatter.

Well ... since your Esther isn't at 88 Webber in 1881, and there appears to be no 88 Webber in 1881 ... there will be no way to know which Esther Catlin-like person was yours.

But Esther Catling is the only person in the 1871 or 1881 who remotely resembles your Esther Catlin ... and is a perfect match except for the missing "g" on your person's name, something very easily explained by pronunciation ... I'd be rather hesitant to dismiss her. In fact, I'd be quite certain that is her.

If you check the 1901 and get the kids' names -- and there may well be more by 1911 -- you might some day be able to find family members with some knowledge.

sorry for delay lol been trying to search familysearch with no luck lol

No I don't have full ancestry sorry.

thanks very much for that both of you.

that looks good on the census for Catlin Evie, but I have no real way of knowing if its the esther i want.

Darklord esther wasn't married when she had James Henry and it looks as if she gave him up as he was a boarder with the same family until he himself married.

How did you find 88 webber row on the familysearch darklord i cant find it lol

Catch up, JoJo!

Do you have full Ancestry access?

If not, I'll give you the 1901 for Esther. Eliminated one husband shown in the list at FreeBMD by finding him with the other bride, can't find Esther and her husband in 1891 so far, but have them in 1901. With multiple kids.

Coming up with the same info as Evie

The only Webber Row I have found has a Webber Street coming off it and is not far from Waterloo Station.

Familysearch I found is the quickest way to search addresses but also found no 88, although there are a lot of families living either side.

Good Luck

Darklord

Do you want to find her marriage yourself at FreeBMD?

Just search for

catlin*
esther

and there are only a handful, and you'll be able to spot the right one.

Aha. You search for Est* Catl* and you get, in 1881:


Name: Esther M. Catling
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward W.
Mother's Name: Eliza
Where born: Shoreditch, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Lambeth
County/Island: London

Street address: 31 Mostyn Road

>> Occupation: Dressmaker

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub registration district: Kennington Second

Edward W. Catling 47
Eliza Catling 39
Esther M. Catling 19
Alice H. Catling 17
Eliza A. Catling 9
Sarah G. Catling 7
Edward W. Catling 4

Darklord

thanks I'll try that Site.

Thanks Evie,

I'm a little confused trying to sort this one lol Could be right its the register office thats st saviour, although its it says st saviour when I search him on the 1881 census but a different address.

No results at Ancestry for Webber, Southwark St Saviour.

For address Web* there is only Webbs Place, consisting of four households.

Ancestry did not always transcribe street names correctly, of course, and if it screwed it up for the first household they would likely all have the same problem.

I do imagine the one I looked at is the right one, though.

Ah. The results I got for address Webber were in Southwark St George Martyr, London.

Possibly not the same street? Webber Row, though. It would seem odd for there to be two with the exact same name.

James Henry the son is living in St. Saviour area as a boarder not with his mum. That address is violet st. but i have that on census.

Just trying to find his mum to go back on her side.

Thanks again

p.s. His mothers name is Esther Catlin