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Thanks for all your help. Im going to order the marriage cert so i can get his fathers name and be 100% sure its the right one

Hampshire Record Office
Sussex Street,
Winchester,
SO23 8TH


Telephone: (01962) 846154

www.hants.gov.uk

I can only find one St. John family in Lymington on the 1841 census.

This is the family above...I have posted 1841 census details.

I have found this marriage in Christchurch, Hampshire which is not a million miles away from Lymington


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WILLIAM ST. JOHN
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening:
Death:
Burial:


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Marriages:
Spouse: ELIZABETH STARK Family
Marriage: 11 SEP 1806 Christchurch, Hampshire, England



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Messages:
Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date.


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Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

M146583 1803 - 1876 1041291 Film 6903179 Film


Sheet: 00


I found on the 1841 the following who are all possible children of William and Elizabeth (bear in mind that ages were rounded up or down) :


Charles 1816
Elizabeth 1825
ELIZABETH 1786
George 1813 (on 1841)
Henry 1822 (on 1841)
John 1811
Martha 1816
Mary 1811
Sarah 1811
Thomas 1827
William 1821
WILLIAM 1780


Couldn't find another St John family on 1841 in Lymington

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1843 (>99%)
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ST JOHN James Henry Marylebone Volume 1 Page 232


This birth registration would give you Louisa's maiden name.


Purchase from

www.gro.gov.uk ....cost £7 with reference I have given.

It might be a good idea to purchase the marriage certificate for James's second marriage to Lucy (cant find first marriage to Louisa) to see the name of his father.

On Ancestry Family Trees there is a tree for this family, unfortunately it only shows the two children listed on the 1841 census.

1841 England Census
about William St John
Name: William St John
Age: 61
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1780
Gender: Male
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Lymington
Hundred: Lymington
County/Island: Hampshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Registration district: Lymington
Sub registration district: Lymington
Neighbors:
Household Members: Name Age
William St John 61 Head, Carpenter
Elizabeth St John 55 Wife
George St John 28 Son
Henry St John 19 Son

Now this looks very close to James'
family. On all Censuses he says he is born in Lymington, Hants.

There will be no birth certificate for James born 1816.

Registration didn't happen until late 1837.

good point pam. I may have to order a birth cert to find his parents names, not sure how else i can find out

1841 England Census about James St John
Name: James St John
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Civil Parish: Chiswick
Hundred: Ossulstone (Kensington Division)
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:...Forlicks Cottage?

Occupation:

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Registration district: Brentford
Sub registration district: Chiswick
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
James St John 45....Literary Man
Eliza St John 40
Frederick St John 15
Elizabeth St John 15
John St John 16
James A St John 11
Horace St John 10
Helen St John 9
Vane Iretan St John 2

Misty x

Not sure that James and Eliza (1851 census) are the parents of James (born 1816 - 1820) . If they are,why have they another son called James ?

1881 England Census
about James St John
Name: James St John
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Lymington, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Marylebone
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 15 Paradise St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:
Occupation: Carpenter

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Household Members: Name Age
James St John 63 Head
Lucy St John 51 Wife
William St John 21 Son

Oliver is the son of Mary....born Bath Somerset c 1846

Misty x

Id like to thank everyone for all their help. This is such a friendly and helpful site, im so glad i have joined because id be lost without it x

Thanks Pam. I found out James was married twice - firstly to louisa and had a child (james funnily enough lol) then he married Lucy
I have noticed the St John men seem to like being married twice!

Have added to my last post...1851

Misty x

Possible second marriage for James

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1858 (>99%)
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>>>James Lucy Lambeth 1d 406
Kalthoeber Charles John Lambeth 1d 406
Penn Elizabeth Lambeth 1d 406
>>>St John James Lambeth 1d 406


1861 England Census
about James St John
Name: James St John
Age: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1818
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: St Marylebone
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Registration district: Marylebone
Sub registration district: Rectory
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors:
Household schedule number: 169
Household Members: Name Age
James St John 43 Head
Lucy St John 29 Wife
James St John 17 Son
William St John 2 Son

Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 74; Folio: 56; Page: 32; GSU roll: 542568.

that would be really kind of u, thanks x

Do you have Ancestry....if not yes

I will take a look

Misty x

Thats wonderful, thank you!
Misty on the last post u put how would i find out who the other household members st john were ie children etc? would i need to pay to view the transcript?

1851 England Census about James A St John
Name: James A St John
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Eliza A
Gender: Male
Where born: Laugharne, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil Parish: St Marylebone
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen the Martyr
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England
Street address:...18 North Bank

Occupation:...Literary Man..Author?

Condition as to marriage:

Disability:

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Registration district: Marylebone
Sub registration district: St John
Household Members:
Name Age
James A St John 55
Eliza A St John 52
James A St John 21..Son...Secretary..Author ?
Helen C St John 19...Daug
Van Ireton S St John 12...Son
Mary St John 30...Daug
Oliver C St John 5...Grandson
John Gorman 60
Harriet Goiling 57
Charles Henry 44
Salina Deacon 23
Rebecca Deade 52

Misty x