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63; 1832 20th March; John KEARLEY (Batchelor) of this Parish & Mary Ann FRY (Spinster) of this Parish;
Witnesses: Samuel Dunford, John Kearley, Joseph Jeans; by Banns

1825 28th April; John KEARLEY of this Parish & Mary BARNS ? of this Parish;
Witnesses: George Russell?, Jane Russell?; by Banns

1; 1837; 29th Jan; Amelia KERLEY; d.o.; John & Mary; Durweston; Seivier? & Clerk;

317; 1834; 31st August; Richard KEARLEY; s.o.; John & Mary; Durweston; Labourer;

poss sibling to elizabeth

336; 1835; 18th Oct; Maryanne KEARLEY; d.o.; John & Mary; Durweston; Seivior?;

http://www.opcdorset.com/DurwestonFiles/Durweston.htm
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Hi Marilyn here, I did what you suggested and purchased a birth certificate for Richard W Stubbles the brother of Florence . The mother's maiden name was Kerlery, and the address was the same, as was the father's name and profession.
I also purchased the marriage certificate of Rchard and Elizabeth. It has her father as John Kerley. Richard is a bachelor and Elizabeth a spinster, so neither were married before and his profession is the same on all three certificates.
Thank you all for helping me sort this out. I wrote to my cousin sending her copies of the certificates and am waiting a reply.

Belatedly rejoining the party - thanks for the PM, Christine. I'll reproduce it below in case it contains anything new and different.

As you see, I traced Elizabeth Kerley back to 1841 (Richochet has now repeated that 1841 census info) and beyond, to her birth (from the IGI).

She matches your Elizabeth "Shorley" in absolutely every respect. The match really is too close to be coincidence.

You need:

- the Stubbles-Kerley marriage certificate, to check that the father of Elizabeth matches the father of Elizabeth Kerley as seen in the censuses and the IGI

- a birth certificate of one of the other Stubbles children to see what the mother's surname is

If you are able to scan the birth certificate you have, where you think the name reads "Shorley", any of us would be happy to look at it if you wanted to email it.

It's always possible the name was just entered incorrectly on the birth certificate, and if the parties were illiterate they would not have known. Checking a sibling's certificate seems wise.

Come on back when you have that info!

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Hi Evie,Thankyou to you and everyone who has been working on this query for me. I'm sorry I didn't stay on line but living in Australia poses a bit of a time difference. The 1901 census was correct as Florence Jones 27yrs was married to Walter and their child is listed as Florence 5 months, she was my grandmother. Her address on her marriage certificate was 1Laura Place and her fathers name was Richard Stubbles. I guess I need to look for Richard W Stubbles birth notice to see if his mother's maiden name is listed.

My cousin in England has been researching the family tree and she sent me a lot of marriage and birth certificates so this is all I have to go on.
It did cross my mind that it may have been a misprint on Elizabeth birth certificate but if you say you have a copy you will see that it is quite clearly an "S". I did at one time think it could have been a "T" but after checking out the handwritting chart on Ancestery it is deffinatly an "S".
Thankyou for finding the marriage info for Richard W Stubbles and Ada Storey I wasn't sure if they had married. I have found birth records of their sons Alfred and George.

I also found 2 entries of death for Richard Stubbles one vol 6 pg 284 Wokingham and vol 1a pg 308 St.George hanover Square both for 188. I am not sure which is correct.

[Wokingham is entirely the wrong area, I think - EB]

I would love it if you could keep in touch as I am fairly new to this, thankyou again Marilyn.
From Marilyn

Births Mar 1912 (>99%)
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Jones Florence Stubbles Marylebone 1a 1000

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Births Sep 1914 (>99%)
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JONES William Stubbles Marylebone 1a 850a
JONES (Male) Stubbles Marylebone 1a 850

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Births Mar 1916 (>99%)
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Jones Doris Stubbles Lambeth 1d 588

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Births Sep 1917 (>99%)
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Jones Maud Stubbles W. Ham 4a 644

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Births Sep 1918 (99%)
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Jones Elsie E Stubbles Wandsworth 1d 663

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Births Dec 1920 (>99%)
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Jones Lily Stubbles Wandsworth 1d 897

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Births Jun 1923 (>99%)
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Jones Louisa Stubbles Wandsworth 1d 834

Marilyn
I have now proved you have the wrong birth certificate. I have given you the marriage of Ernest and Florence and the marriage of Florence and Walter. Florence is with her mother in 1901 who is Elizabeth Kerley born Durweston .
You have been given all of the census details and you have been shown why it is not Shorley.

1901 Address: 1, Laura Place, Holland Park Road, Kensington
STUBBLES, Elizabeth Head Widow F 67 1834 Shopkeeper
Durweston
Dorsetshire
FEARLEY, Mary H Daughter Married F 38 1863
Paddington
London
JONES, Florence Daughter Married F 27 1874
Paddington
London
JONES, Florence Grand Daughter F (5 MOS)
Leatherhead
Surrey

Marriages Dec 1897 (>99%)
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Cronin Maud Elizabeth Kensington 1a 282
HERSEY Herbert Walter Kensington 1a 282
JONES Walter Kensington 1a 282
Stubbles Florence Kensington 1a 282

If this is the same Florence we should find a 1901 census and a death for Walter.

You are encountering a problem so I suggest you retrace your steps. You say your grandparents were Ernest Dice and Florence Stubbles. I could not find this marriage. Was Florence previously married?
Marriages Dec 1924 (>99%)
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Dice Ernest W Jones W.Ham 4a 682
Jones Florence Dice W.Ham 4a 682
Long Jane Rawlings W.Ham 4a 682
Rawlings William J Long W.Ham 4a 682

I did find a marriage entry for a Elizabeth Shorley
1866 ,Bedford, 3rd Quarter 3b, 549. I have not yet been able to find a match with a Richard Stubbles.

It would have been so much easier if you had posted all the info you have.

Thankyou every one and i'm sorry for not answering straight away, I am new to this and living in Australia there is a bit of a time difference.
I I do have the birth certificate of Florence Stubbles born 8/5/1873, it shows her father as Richard Stubbles, Railway Porter and her mother as Elizabeth Stubbles formally Shorley.The address is 14 Windsor Street, Paddington.Florence married Walter Jones on the 10/10/1897. They in turn had 6 children, Walter, Florence, Lilian, Richard, Frank.and Maud. Florence married Ernest Dice on 18/11/1924. They are my grandparents. I have worked backward form the information that I have. It really is a puzzle but I will do as you suggesrt and get hold of a birth certificate of one of Elizabeth's siblings to compare the mother's maiden name. I will get back to you on that.

PM sent!

Ricochet started replying 6 minutes after her posting. Perhaps she is expecting a pm.

Sorry Evie, have to admit Im up to my eyes in work here, proper work, plus my dog rescue stuff plus eldest son coming tonight :) But I cant resist jumping in and out of here to see whats going on - lol - hence Im a bit behind with whats going on.

Ricochet -- I reproduced all that (IGI ,1851) and Christine gave the 1881, on the previous page ...

That's where we came in, Heather. ;)


"My great grandmother Florence Stubbles married Walter Jones on 10/10/1897 Kensington, London, wittnesses were George Stubbles and Richard W. Stubbles and Ada Storey. This Richard was my greatgrandmother's brother. On her birth certit 8/5/1873 it states that her father was Richard Stubbles, Railway Porter, and her mother Elizabeth formally Shorley."

Marilyn said she was sure of the spelling of the surname. That's why I'd suggest getting another child's birth cert, to compare.

We all went following Marilyn down the red herring trail:

"I also have Elizabeth's birth certificate stating that she was born 9/8/1848, her mother Eliza formally Copperwheat."