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You are very welcome Wendy - glad to help.

Dea x

DEA Thanks for your help with this, I just could not find anything on him your amazing.
thanks again
Wendy

This one was hard to find - It must have been the same enumerator as the other one which Ricochet found :

1871:
Thos Cune
Age: 1 4 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Warrington, Lancashire, England
Civil Parish: Warrington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Elphin
Town: Warrington
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England
Street address: Victoria Street

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image
Registration district: Warrington
Sub registration district: Warrington
ED, institution, or vessel: 20
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 190
Household Members: Name Age
John Cune 36 Farm Labr b Warrington
Ann Cune 29
Thos Cune 1 4 months ... says 1 6 months so (16 months, or 1yr 6months???)
Gilbert Cune 3 months
Thos Rowland 66 father !!!
John Rowland 73 lodger?




Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 3906; Folio: 99; Page: 41; GSU roll: 842046.

Source Information:

...........................

This then is the marriage of Thomas's parents:

Marriages Mar 1864
Owen John Warrington 8c 120 - his father James Owen
Rowland Ann Warrington 8c 120 - father Thomas Rowland

Dea x

Probable for 1881 - I will check further!!

1881:

Thomas Owen
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Warrington, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Woolston With Martinscroft
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:*** Manchester Road NB - Witness to wedding - William Dumbill was living at Manchester Road on 1891 !!! *** - So was the other witness - Lucy Clarke !!
Education:

Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Scholar

Registration district: Warrington
Sub registration district: Rixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Owen 44 .......................Farm Labourer
Ann Owen 39
Thomas Owen 14
Gilbert Owen 11
William Owen 5
Mary Owen 3
John Owen 1




Source Citation: Class: RG11; Piece: 3800; Folio: 27; Page: 4; Line: ; GSU roll: 1341908.

Source Information:

Dea x

Hi,

Still working on it but I believe this is your Thomas on 1891:


1891:
Thomas Owen
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Martinscroft, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Woolston With Martinscroft
Ecclesiastical parish: Padgate
Town: Martinscroft
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Warrington
Sub registration district: Rixton
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Dixon 71
Aaron Dixon 33
Thomas Owen 23 Gen. Labr. Lodger.




Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 3082; Folio 22; Page 2; GSU roll: 6098192.


This is the same area where Annie was born and Thomas died in 1900.

Burial: 17 May 1900 Christ Church, Padgate, Lancashire, England
Thomas Owen -
Age: 30 Years
Abode: Martinscroft
Buried by: William R Hartwright
Register: Burials 1886 - 1923, Page 41, Entry 328
Source: LDS Film 2068610

Dea x

just thought a recap was in order as we dont seem to be getting far:
Thomas Owen. JAN 1893 Age 24 married sarah ellen crank
In warrington occupation Labourer his father is John Owen (think is occupatiion is Farmer)
Wintness are William Dumbill and Lucy Clarke (again the writting is hard to read).
My Grandmother Annie Owen in Warrington Jun 1900 shows him as deceased.
I found a death in 1900 of a thomas owen aged 30 in warrington, so I presume this is him.

I thought I found him in the census BUT THIS IS NOT HIM
Birth: 27 Mar 1870 - Alderley, Cheshire, England
Parents: John Owen, Jane Emma Hulme
But then after all that it shows
Death: 17 Mar 1907 - Nether Alderley, Cheshire, England
Anthe source that this comes from tells me that he is in the same grave as his mother and father John& Jane and that she has seen the gravestone.

So if anyone can help I would be grateful.
Thanks
Wendy

the witnesses are William Dumbill and Lucy Clarke
(well thats what I think they say (writting is hard to make out)
does not really shed anymore light on the problem really.

I checked with my source and she tell me that the tomas you have information on his her great grandmothers brother and that he is buried in the same grave as Johm and jane and it state the death as 17 Mar 1907.
so where do I go from here,

The 1900 death fits with the birth info.........check the 1901 census info I posted. And her mother is a widow, which also fits..................

Ages were not as certain then as they are now..............they didn't have Clinton cards shops then!!

You haven't said who the witnesses were on the marriage cert.................

Im totally confused now...
If he was 24 in 1893 when married mayve the death is not his in 1900 as it states he was 30.
My nan Annie was born jun 1900 and her birth cert says he is deceased, which mean he must of died 1889/1900
Wendy

I did state this at the begining. I am a novice at this and (as you) I assumed it was my thomas as it was the only one I could find.
I have been looking for information now for months and just dont know what to do now

Wendy

Aged 24 in Jan 1893 makes his birth earlier than you suggested...............

From freebmd...........didn't you cross -refer?

Deaths Mar 1907 (>99%)

OWEN Thomas 36 Macclesfield 8a 121


I was following through the censuses the person you quoted...............see my query about your source...............

Hi again
If you see my first message I also suggested this name, but someone emailed me and said that on the gravestone of this family it said that thomas died 1907 --- so not sure what to think now
HELP!!!!

Hi again
If you see my first message I also suggested this name, but someone emailed me and said that on the gravestone of this family it said that thomas died 1907 --- so not sure what to think now
HELP!!!!

1891....

Thomas's occupation is General Labourer

Name: Thomas Owen
Age: 21
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Emma J
Gender: Male
Where born: N Alderley, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Nether Alderley
Ecclesiastical parish: Alderley
Town: Nether Alderley
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub registration district: Alderley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Owen 55
Emma J Owen 40
Selina Owen 25
Hannah Owen 19
Harriet Owen 16
Ada Owen 13
Herbert Owen 11
Emma Owen 9
John Owen 6
Arthur Owen 4
Bertha Owen 2
Florence Owen 4/12
Thomas Owen 21

1901.........if this is the same chap, it rules him out

Name: Thos Owen
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Visitor
Gender: Male
Where born: Alderley, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Didsbury
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Chorlton
Sub registration district: Didsbury
ED, institution, or vessel: 7
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 26
Household Members: Name Age
Thos Roberts 51
Martha Roberts 41
Thos Owen 31 Occ: Gardener

The rest of that family in 1901..................

Name: John Owen
Age: 63
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1838
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Jones C
Gender: Male
Where born: Alderley, Cheshire, England

Civil Parish: Nether Alderley
Ecclesiastical parish: Nether Alderley St Mary
Town: Nether Alderley
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England
Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub registration district: Alderley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 81
Household Members: Name Age
John Owen 63
Jones C Owen 50
Selina Owen 34
Hannah Ownen 28
Herbert Owen 20
Harriet Owen 25
Emma Owen 18
John Owen 16
Arthur Owen 15
Bertha Owen 12
Florence Owen 10
Oswald Owen 6
Amy Owen 7
Elsie Owen 7 months

1881

John OWEN Head M Male 45 Alderley, Cheshire, England Farmer Of 21 Acres
Jane OWEN Wife M Female 32 Alderley, Cheshire, England
Selina OWEN Daur Female 15 Alderley, Cheshire, England
Mary OWEN Daur Female 12 Alderley, Cheshire, England
Thomas OWEN Son Male 11 Alderley, Cheshire, England Scholar
Hannah OWEN Daur Female 8 Alderley, Cheshire, England Scholar
Harriet OWEN Daur Female 5 Alderley, Cheshire, England Scholar
Ada OWEN Daur Female 3 Alderley, Cheshire, England
Herbert OWEN Son Male 1 Alderley, Cheshire, England


Dwelling Brindlow Rd
Census Place Nether Alderley, Cheshire, England
Family History Library Film 1341838
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3499 / 13
Page Number 20

Thanks for getting back to me.
Marraige took place 30/1/1893 in the parish church fo warrington and thomas was 24.
I also though it was john and jane who was his father and have research quite a way back. but then someone emailed me and told me that the thomas in that tree died in 1905 which meant he could not be mine

wendy

This is that child in 1871.........the 'Head', Hannah Hulme, is a Farmer.....John Owen is a Servant'

Name: Thomas Cuen
[Thomas Owen]
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Nether Alderley, Cheshire, England
Civil Parish: Nether Alderley
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Nether Alderley
County/Island: Cheshire
Country: England

Registration district: Macclesfield
Sub registration district: Alderley
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 104
Household Members: Name Age
Hannah Hulme 67
Arther Redway 12
John Cuen 34
Jane Cuen 20
Salina Cuen 4
Mary Ann Cuen 3
Thomas Cuen 1

You are spot on Wendy.........and of course, his marriage and death are between censuses; very inconsiderate of him!!

So...........he was married in 1893........what was the date of the marriage, and how old did he say he was? Who were the witnesses?

BTW.the info you posted about the chap in Cheshire......was it from the IGI? If so, it was a submitted record...not taken from Parish registers.

There is, however, a marriage for the named parents..on Lancsbmd

OWEN John HULME Jane Manchester, Cheetham, St. Luke Manchester 38/1/196